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EVE's summer expansion better focus on sovereignty

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Shadowschild
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#161 - 2013-01-23 23:46:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Shadowschild
Since the GSF Ceo has no interest in a long drawn out sov war - thats pretty much going to be everyone's position in CFC even if some don't agree. In my personal opinion, what we the CFC have in eve, is pretty awesome.

As for those who call for war, I share a quote from Julius Caesar:
"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind."
Sky Marshal
State War Academy
Caldari State
#162 - 2013-01-23 23:56:27 UTC
The best sovereignty system is an nonexistent one... That would make everyone move and work to keep their stations, who would remain the last thing claimable by anyone (and as mostly every system has one station now...), this by doing frequent patrols etc. If required, give more hp to the stations, but not too much...

The actual system is way better than the worst one released with "Revelation II", but still give too much time to the defender to respond to any attack, and so motivate to get naps with all neighbours once there is enough claimed systems, neighbours who also want naps...
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#163 - 2013-01-23 23:58:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
La Nariz wrote:
I don't see why they can't continue ship balancing while also beginning nullsec balancing.


Human resources.

I rather know them finishing once and for all the largest possible part of DUst and then leave a small team improving it, than split people to finally achieve nothing.
Remember the last time they picked a huge chunk of their teams to work on eve? -took about 3 months for them to deliver huge game graphics/mechanics/ships/modules changes etc.
I rather see them pick the whole dev team and shoot them with nicotine and vodka/redbull to deliver a blast once a year then balance stuff/revamp like they do now.

But it's just my opinion.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#164 - 2013-01-24 00:07:49 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

*Make it viable for 0.0 players to actually live in 0.0 by reworking outposts so that we can upgrade them to match NPC systems.


Careful you're treading on the ~highsec intellectual~'s toes here. We can't have a functioning nullsec because its not supposed to be a functioning nullsec.


Keep trolling and baiting, it's done good for you till now.

In he meanwhile those who want fun PvP are doing it in other games. Most don't care enough about wasting days and weeks on the forums.

If you want EvE to quickly steer their PvP to cater to you, it's very easy: both CFC and HBC have just to coordinate once again... and mass unsub for 2-3 months.

Stay sure that CCP will quickly step in and do whatever is needed to get you back.









... perhaps.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#165 - 2013-01-24 00:22:48 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

*Make it viable for 0.0 players to actually live in 0.0 by reworking outposts so that we can upgrade them to match NPC systems.


Careful you're treading on the ~highsec intellectual~'s toes here. We can't have a functioning nullsec because its not supposed to be a functioning nullsec.


Keep trolling and baiting, it's done good for you till now.

In he meanwhile those who want fun PvP are doing it in other games. Most don't care enough about wasting days and weeks on the forums.

If you want EvE to quickly steer their PvP to cater to you, it's very easy: both CFC and HBC have just to coordinate once again... and mass unsub for 2-3 months.

Stay sure that CCP will quickly step in and do whatever is needed to get you back.

... perhaps.


Why are you so offended? Does the fact that many of us are fed up with being ignored while highsec is continuously reiterated on drive you to a frothing rage? This thread is about the need for a nullsec sov fix. Since the terrible sov system is a preventative factor for conflict. So what does your post have to do with fixing sov? To the other guy mentioning HR, you have a point there are only so many people working for CCP and they might not be able to spare them right now. That still doesn't explain why they can't at least say something like "hey guys we know stuff is messed up here's our timeline and what we think we might do to fix it."

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#166 - 2013-01-24 00:30:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
La Nariz wrote:

Now, now no names were mentioned, why are you so offended? This thread is about the need for a nullsec sov fix. Since the terrible sov system is a preventative factor for conflict. So what does your post have to do with fixing sov? To the other guy mentioning HR, you have a point there are only so many people working for CCP and they might not be able to spare them right now. That still doesn't explain why they can't at least say something like "hey guys we know stuff is messed up here's our timeline and what we think we might do to fix it."


Because you blame someone non CCP else ("intellectuals") for stuff like getting threads locked and maybe for causing famine on Somalia. Oddly enough it's not them who get banned for flaming / name calling etc...

When somebody suggested to make EvE PvP more alike other PvP games where PvP is WAY more fun, the ideas were shot down as well.

Therefore now you are kinda sleeping in your own bed.

EvE PvP has many wrong things. I wrote about them, got the ideas shot down by the GS Orthodoxy Control Center... and now you wish more ideas and support.

P.S. after posting this I am going to return PvPing in another game. My guild are engaging a 120 men party to take a keep. No intention to leave, no need to post on the forums there.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#167 - 2013-01-24 00:42:05 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


Because you blame someone non CCP else ("intellectuals") for stuff like getting threads locked and maybe for causing famine on Somalia. Oddly enough it's not them who get banned for flaming / name calling etc...

When somebody suggested to make EvE PvP more alike other PvP games where PvP is WAY more fun, the ideas were shot down as well.

Therefore now you are kinda sleeping in your own bed.

EvE PvP has many wrong things. I wrote about them, got the ideas shot down by the GS Orthodoxy Control Center... and now you wish more ideas and support.

P.S. after posting this I am going to return PvPing in another game. My guild are engaging a 120 men party to take a keep. No intention to leave, no need to post on the forums there.


Now lets see here I can't take much you post seriously because you subscribe to goonspiracy. You attribute that because we don't agree that it came from GSF high command that we must shoot down all of your posts with as much trolling as possible and that is simply not the case. We don't agree, you got upset and argued in circles that there is some big conspiracy lead by our direkktorate. You'd ignore everything someone else posted, pick out two sentences then make some big argument not even tangentially related to what they were saying. I'd list more reasons why not many of us take you serious and don't waste effort on replying to you but they are far to numerous for me to list.

So please break your cycle of badposting, how does anything you've said relate to us being upset that nullsec sov has needed fixing forever yet is basically ignored?

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#168 - 2013-01-24 00:52:06 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Cura Ursus
La Nariz wrote:

Now lets see here I can't take much you post seriously because you subscribe to goonspiracy. You attribute that because we don't agree that it came from GSF high command that we must shoot down all of your posts with as much trolling as possible and that is simply not the case. We don't agree, you got upset and argued in circles that there is some big conspiracy lead by our direkktorate. You'd ignore everything someone else posted, pick out two sentences then make some big argument not even tangentially related to what they were saying. I'd list more reasons why not many of us take you serious and don't waste effort on replying to you but they are far to numerous for me to list.

So please break your cycle of badposting, how does anything you've said relate to us being upset that nullsec sov has needed fixing forever yet is basically ignored?


Looking you intellectually pleasing yourself in this circle of words...

... problem is... it's not even fun. Just boring. It's all been seen, it's a black and white transmission.

I and many, many others had more fun when terrible alliances of the past including mine would go in 0.0 and massively fail while trying... and make the media headlines.... and all we had as "sov" were stupid boring POSes to shoot and next to none supercaps. And before us there were those who went in there without a cyno or anything and dealt with it.

Now, much, much more than a sov / null sec revamp is needed. The null issues and even the null vs hi sec diatribe are all a smokescreen (not created by you) on something bigger, something worse.

Game's sedimented and aged as a whole, while CCP tries to recover from the past unfinished features the new ones grow old and stale.

What CCP needs is a priority list of what to do next and do it damn good, but they have no good and unbiased consuelor to do that. EvE CSM is not representative enough of the whole playerbase to be trusted, and in fact CCP "listens" to them... till a certain point.

Adding on the to top of that, there's the "you won EvE" factor I described several times. You won EvE, you don't rationalize the fact you are done. FINITO. End titles have scrolled, credits have passed and now you are at the main menu wondering what to do next. But there's no next. The sooner you realize and rationalize this the better for you.


Edit: if you rationalized that, you'd find out that in order to have FUN in EvE it's not needed for dad CCP to give you a compulsory reason. You'd just play like RvB and start shooting each other, if that's what you like.
On the contrary, if you are "only" there to build The Empire... well you have built it, nobody wants to hit it and you have won and ... that's it. Really.
Why no one wants to hit it? Because EvE's not "unknown enough", not "far west" any more, it's just mechanically swapping an ownership over ages old systems where you don't even have the power to call them CHARLIE instead of FW45-UX-1-TETA


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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#169 - 2013-01-24 01:12:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Another addition - and I am surprised people like Malcanis have not pointed it out yet.

CCP has easily lived off goodwill. Year after year. I am not just talking about their published balances but also about the players expectations vs told and then implemented features.

They sell for real subs at Fanfest aka "motivational meeting" what they tell you they will implement. In the end you pay and play more for the "grand vision" than for the actual game itself.
CCP switch to a new course of small incremental fixes / small features broke this smokescreen, this faux mirror, and now players can see behind it and find a... nothing.

I will sound presumptuous but I have indeed developed software for 2 decades... seeing a couple of timers and some database entries modifications being sold as months of work... really?

Then WHY waste men months to implement PIZZAS targetting when sov mechanics are unfinished and just BAD?

EvE's now is far behind the "schedule" that players would like to see, nothing awe inspiring got made past Apochrypha.

But when I say these things I am always alone. Because I don't belong to this or that claque.

It took a new CCP designer to realize this. Hope they follow through else EvE will really fall behind and low, very low.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#170 - 2013-01-24 01:14:21 UTC
Why do people consistently feel the need to comment on things they don't understand?

Let's make some grand big post that touches on everything except the actual issues. Yeah, that's a great idea.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#171 - 2013-01-24 01:15:38 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Why do people consistently feel the need to comment on things they don't understand?

Let's make some grand big post that touches on everything except the actual issues. Yeah, that's a great idea.


Keep cutting that appendix, while the whole intestine is rotting, it's going to do you good in the medium term.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#172 - 2013-01-24 01:16:36 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Why do people consistently feel the need to comment on things they don't understand?

Let's make some grand big post that touches on everything except the actual issues. Yeah, that's a great idea.


At least that post had less goonspiracy than his regular posts. It's a step in the right direction but, not the sov fix we need.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#173 - 2013-01-24 01:20:41 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Another addition - and I am surprised people like Malcanis have not pointed it out yet.

CCP has easily lived off goodwill. Year after year. I am not just talking about their published balances but also about the players expectations vs told and then implemented features.

They sell for real subs at Fanfest aka "motivational meeting" what they tell you they will implement. In the end you pay and play more for the "grand vision" than for the actual game itself.
CCP switch to a new course of small incremental fixes / small features broke this smokescreen, this faux mirror, and now players can see behind it and find a... nothing.

I will sound presumptuous but I have indeed developed software for 2 decades... seeing a couple of timers and some database entries modifications being sold as months of work... really?

Then WHY waste men months to implement PIZZAS targetting when sov mechanics are unfinished and just BAD?

EvE's now is far behind the "schedule" that players would like to see, nothing awe inspiring got made past Apochrypha.

But when I say these things I am always alone. Because I don't belong to this or that claque.

It took a new CCP designer to realize this. Hope they follow through else EvE will really fall behind and low, very low.

I agree with this.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#174 - 2013-01-24 01:36:50 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

I agree with this.


Good. Your alliance came to success thanks to forward thinking, they always need more people like you who can see beyond.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#175 - 2013-01-24 01:50:20 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

I agree with this.


Good. Your alliance came to success thanks to forward thinking, they always need more people like you who can see beyond.

But I also think that most null sec guys would agree with you, at least on the particular point I agreed with.

I think it's what is contributing to a lot of their frustruation to be honest.

Some of us are more apt to tell someone when they're ******* up. I don't have that particular compunction.



iskflakes
#176 - 2013-01-24 01:56:10 UTC
CCP won't look at sov for at least a year. When they do look at it, it will take them just over one and a half years to sort it out (3 expansions). Each expansion has to have a "theme" now, where "theme" can be anything highsec related, but not POSes or sov.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#177 - 2013-01-24 02:08:57 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
CCP won't look at sov for at least a year. When they do look at it, it will take them just over one and a half years to sort it out (3 expansions). Each expansion has to have a "theme" now, where "theme" can be anything highsec related, but not POSes or sov.


This is probably how things are happening. It would make a whole world of difference if CCP opened up a dialogue with us, acknowledged the problems, talked about some of their ideas for solutions and kept that dialogue open until the fixes are done. A little communication goes a long way.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#178 - 2013-01-24 02:14:14 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:


I'd defenestrate you for using "incentivize" too!
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#179 - 2013-01-24 02:15:25 UTC
I'm not going to lie, I'd really like to know what CCP is considering as the theme for this year.

It's not just a single expansion theme, but a theme to shape EVE throught he course of the year.

And I don't feel like waiting until fanfest to find out.

but I'm pretty impatient.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#180 - 2013-01-24 02:16:26 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
EvE PvP has many wrong things. I wrote about them, got the ideas shot down by the GS Orthodoxy Control Center... and now you wish more ideas and support.

Now lets see here I can't take much you post seriously because you subscribe to goonspiracy. You attribute that because we don't agree that it came from GSF high command that we must shoot down all of your posts with as much trolling as possible and that is simply not the case.

Even if it was the case that GSF High Command hadn't given us you as a priority target for non-consensual forums PVP, your ideas are horrible and you never want to support us anyway :smith: because if we agree with it clearly GSFHC has an agenda.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?