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How do Capsuleers communicate?
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skullcrusher452
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-01-23 18:20:37 UTC
We capsuleers have the ability to communicate instantaneously no matter the distance between ourselves and the person(s) receiving the communication. Has it been explained how we came across this amazing technology yet? The closest thing i have found is some chronicle about language translation. This is quite a feet when you consider in the case of wormholes we could maybe be whole galaxies apart
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-01-23 18:28:03 UTC
http://community.eveonline.com/background/communication/

The old scientific article is hidden in the old website... but you can find it in the link above.

the TL:DR version: The uncertainty principle is resolved so we can know the speed and location of an electron at any given time. Due to this we use entangled pairs of particles to create a binary signal though information is carried instantly across any amount of distance.
Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#3 - 2013-01-23 18:32:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Tavin Aikisen
Edit: Too slow. :P



skullcrusher452 wrote:
We capsuleers have the ability to communicate instantaneously no matter the distance between ourselves and the person(s) receiving the communication. Has it been explained how we came across this amazing technology yet? The closest thing i have found is some chronicle about language translation. This is quite a feet when you consider in the case of wormholes we could maybe be whole galaxies apart


This is the communication scientific article on the back story section: http://community.eveonline.com/background/communication/

It's not just the capsule though, regular spacebound people can use the same communication. Obviously we have the advantage as capsuleers. We simply 'think the words' and off they go.

"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."

-Cold Wind
skullcrusher452
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-01-23 19:28:09 UTC
awesome, thanks guys it always amazes me how ccp is able to come with realistic scientific explanations for all the technology in the eve universe
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#5 - 2013-01-23 19:29:05 UTC
Well... "realistic" ;)
skullcrusher452
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-01-23 19:45:13 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Well... "realistic" ;)


haha well within reason of course. I am well aware of laws of physics being broken, but given they take the impossible and make it seem achievable makes a good impression in my book
Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#7 - 2013-01-24 01:25:55 UTC
skullcrusher452 wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Well... "realistic" ;)


haha well within reason of course. I am well aware of laws of physics being broken, but given they take the impossible and make it seem achievable makes a good impression in my book


It certainly helps alleviate any suspension of belief. Shows a lot of effort when you explain game play restrictions through apparently realistic/technical lore articles.

Believable is just as good as realistic. :)

"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."

-Cold Wind
Boston Bradley
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-02-04 06:14:49 UTC
The development of FLUID ROUTERS allows instantaneous transmission through the manipulation of space-time itself.
Marcus Dreddlin
Red Sun Industries
#9 - 2013-02-15 19:38:44 UTC
I always thought the answer to this question was the same as the answer to how clone resurrection works - quantum entangled pairs. Am I correct?
Destarsee Flamesword
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-02-16 23:24:11 UTC
it might not break the laws of physics entirely. because there is a theoretical thing called "Tachyon" its a particle that cant go slower than light. it might be possible to make a machine that can transfer encrypted data (to prevent everyone in the universe to find us) all over the universe. without major "lag"
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
#11 - 2013-02-16 23:50:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Faulx
Actually, tachyons (specifically neutrino tachyons) are like x-rays in a non-vacuum medium, their waves' group velocities exceed their actual propagation speed. Consequently, while it may look like a wave front is moving faster than light, any signal you put to that wave is still limited in speed.... On the other hand if you could know ahead of time how far that signal needed to travel... you could "arrange" for the wave fronts to arrive coherently and pass a signal FTL. That would require you to know the future in advance... which of course... if you're using tachyons might actually be possible. Basically, this is a tautology.

TL;DR
tachyons work... if they work...

Fluid routers on the other hand (what capsuleers use)... are based on Quantum Entanglement. So if you had two entangled particles and you "measured" the state of one and it was "high"... particle number two would also be "high" when you measure it... no matter the distance between. The trick is that to entangle the particles they must be in close proximity to begin with. Thus the restriction on the fluid router network would be that it could NOT communicate with any other network unless they were brought into close proximity and their fundamental particles entangled.

IRL, entanglement is broken as soon as its measured and the state of the particle is unknowable ahead of time. So actually passing a signal would A.) deplete your "fluid" over time and B.) require you to know what particles are "high" and what particles are "low" before you use them and C.) require the folks on the other end of the line to know what particles you selected for use in order to pass the signal.... i.e. they would need to already know your message before you sent it.... not ideal for FTL comms. But, since IRL we don't know a good way to implement FTL, we must suspend disbelief... for now (muhahahaha).

other TL;DR
quantum entanglement works; if you know the unknowable and don't actually have anything new to say
Eija-Riitta Veitonen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-02-18 01:28:09 UTC
A slight correction to the above: the entangled pair particle takes not the same state but the exactly opposite one, to concerve the superposition. Furthermore, so far the experiments show that entanglement does, in fact, operate on a faster-than-light speeds, although scientists are not sure what is the cause for these results.
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Quantum entanglement is a form of quantum superposition. When a measurement is made and it causes one member of such a pair to take on a definite value (e.g., clockwise spin), the other member of this entangled pair will at any subsequent time[6] be found to have taken the appropriately correlated value (e.g., counterclockwise spin). Thus, there is a correlation between the results of measurements performed on entangled pairs, and this correlation is observed even though the entangled pair may have been separated by arbitrarily large distances.[7]In Quantum entanglement, part of the transfer happens instantaneously. [8] Repeated experiments have verified that this works even when the measurements are performed more quickly than light could travel between the sites of measurement: there's no slower-than-light influence that can pass between the entangled particles. [9]

Fascinating stuff. One might even think that EVE storytellers have actually hit the right spot on the mechanics behind FTL communications.

Also, according to the FTL communications article linked somewhere above in this thread clearly states that entangled particles in fluid ruiters deplete over time during their usage.
Koronakesh
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
#13 - 2013-02-18 06:38:26 UTC
A related little chronicle to the subject

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