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Any news on clone costs?

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Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
#1 - 2013-01-22 17:00:12 UTC
I recall seeing a dev post at one point stating that they were looking at the clone costs for higher-end clones. I haven't really seen anything about it since, and clone costs have been the primary reason why I never roam around in cheap, disposable ships anymore. While I may have been around a long time, my income has not markedly improved over my years in EVE, and the cost of my clone has become rather prohibitive.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#2 - 2013-01-22 17:26:57 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=277

Sell your char, buy a lower SP char, get lower clone costs AND a nice lump sum left over as well.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#3 - 2013-01-22 17:44:51 UTC
How about we reverse the costs on clones. The lower the clone grade, the MORE expensive it is. New players shell out 150mil for each clone popped, and 10yo bittervets should get free clones. problems solved, eve is left with only bittervets to populate its space. will the last titan out please turn off the servers?

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#4 - 2013-01-22 17:55:28 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
How about we reverse the costs on clones. The lower the clone grade, the MORE expensive it is. New players shell out 150mil for each clone popped, and 10yo bittervets should get free clones. problems solved, eve is left with only bittervets to populate its space. will the last titan out please turn off the servers?


In no way was this the subject of discussion. Your post reveals that you lack the gleam of intelligence required to be a forum troll, therefore I assume you lack the education to process the information. As friendly internet traveler I suggest you consider:

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-01-22 18:03:46 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=277

Sell your char, buy a lower SP char, get lower clone costs AND a nice lump sum left over as well.



Dumbest thing ever.

removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne

Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-01-22 18:09:00 UTC
Oh the trials and tribulations of having massive amounts of SP... think of the 1%! Roll
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#7 - 2013-01-22 18:45:47 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:
Oh the trials and tribulations of having massive amounts of SP... think of the 1%! Roll


Having a massive amount of SP doesn't make isk grinding much faster than basic skills. At-least not at the exponential rate of clone cost increase. Plus most SP is situational, it allows for more avenues to interact with the game, yet you can only interact via so many methods at once.
Once past 54m SP, which happens to be just about the 3 year retention mark. The bang for the buck in t1 frigs and cruisers starts to spiral sharpy as you always have to pay for the next grade higher. Specially if you die quite often due to bubbles or simply CCPs awful latency during the ship transfer in podding. With just leads to even more grinding. Punishing old pvpers who play the longest with more pve time. Or its just a ploy to force long standing hooked customers to plex more often as they think those that have been playing for that long will not leave for any reason. That or it makes them create alternate accounts supported by large SP highsec dwelling ex-mains because that's where the safest money is right?

They had more avenues for sinks to lighten the load of clone costs such as bounty concord taxes and activation and claiming of killrights in highsec not lowsec. Yet they didn't go for these obvious small sinks which would add up over time. And leaving new modules as drops only are lost sinks when bpc LP store versions could add to sinks. Dusters should at least help drain some isk yet they have yet to ever revisit their old archaic ratios.
Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-01-22 20:19:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Yusef Yeasef Yosef
The next clone cost adjustment will happen when enough older pvp players stop training their characters due to clone costs.
Since apparently most players are lurkers and don't pvp much, or have an empire alt to train instead, that might be awhile.

I do find myself weighing clone cost when I decided to use my main pvp char or alt pvp char at times.
Maybe that was the intent. Only use what you can afford to lose.


Edit: And buy a second account from power of 2 to train a pvp alt when you main gets too much sp.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#9 - 2013-01-22 20:22:05 UTC
My sign says it all.

The Tears Must Flow

ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#10 - 2013-01-23 07:42:36 UTC
i have to admit, i really dont like shelling out an extra 35 mill after going out in a cheap ship for some fights to pay an extra 35 mill for a new clone, not that i get podded that often of course.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-01-23 07:52:57 UTC
Wrayeth wrote:
I recall seeing a dev post at one point stating that they were looking at the clone costs for higher-end clones. I haven't really seen anything about it since, and clone costs have been the primary reason why I never roam around in cheap, disposable ships anymore. While I may have been around a long time, my income has not markedly improved over my years in EVE, and the cost of my clone has become rather prohibitive.



you get a free clone, every time your pod is destroyed. If you don't want to pay for a clone upgrade that will preserve all your skillpoints, then don't. After your pod gets destroyed a few times your cost for that clone upgrade will become cheaper. Problem solved. No need for CCP to waste yet more manpower considering how best to mollycoddle folks.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#12 - 2013-01-23 09:29:19 UTC
Roguelike games from the past simply took X percentage out of your wallet. It was a great incentive to not sit on your money.
Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
#13 - 2013-01-23 16:26:37 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Roguelike games from the past simply took X percentage out of your wallet. It was a great incentive to not sit on your money.


This could be easily gamed just by focusing on having lots of assets and keeping your wallet small. Besides, it's not like my wallet has lots of ISK in it, anyway.

In regards to the original question, would a passing dev care to respond, even if it's just "we're still looking at it but don't have anything concrete that we can share"?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-01-23 16:30:38 UTC
lol, the amount of ignorance in this thread is astounding.
"You started playing the game earlier than me, so **** you, deal with the clone costs."
Yeah, cause a mechanic that punishes people for staying loyal to the game and discourages PVP is a good mechanic.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Dr No Game
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-01-23 16:35:38 UTC
Just curious - I notice when passing through FW systems that upgraded system offer a discount on medical costs. I'm sure it wouldn't be the most convenient arrangement, but could high-SP characters not take advantage of this to lower their costs? (iirc the discount can be up to 40+% which is significant when you're getting up to the 100's of millions of ISK)
Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
#16 - 2013-01-23 16:51:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Wrayeth
Dr No Game wrote:
Just curious - I notice when passing through FW systems that upgraded system offer a discount on medical costs. I'm sure it wouldn't be the most convenient arrangement, but could high-SP characters not take advantage of this to lower their costs? (iirc the discount can be up to 40+% which is significant when you're getting up to the 100's of millions of ISK)


The problem with this is that, if the opposing faction takes the system, you lose access to your clone. As such, IIRC, you get shunted somewhere else when you die, losing skillpoints. EDIT: Moreover, not everyone wants to do FW.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#17 - 2013-01-23 16:52:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Demolishar
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=277

Sell your char, buy a lower SP char, get lower clone costs AND a nice lump sum left over as well.



Dumbest thing ever.


Characters are just another commodity.

In real life if you owned some sports car and suddenly ran out of money to run it, what would you do? Oh of course, YOU'd scream to the government to reduce fuel prices and refuse to ever drive again until they do.

Everyone else with common sense would sell it (to someone with the cash to buy it and run it), and buy a smaller, more economical car that they can afford to run.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-01-23 16:56:40 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=277

Sell your char, buy a lower SP char, get lower clone costs AND a nice lump sum left over as well.



Dumbest thing ever.


Characters are just another commodity.

In real life if you owned some sports car and suddenly ran out of money to run it, what would you do? Oh of course, YOU'd scream to the government to reduce fuel prices and refuse to ever drive again until they do.

Everyone else with common sense would sell it (to someone with the cash to buy it and run it), and buy a smaller, more economical car that they can afford to run.

What's the point of this analogy? It doesn't apply at all.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
#19 - 2013-01-23 16:57:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Wrayeth
Sorry, no interest in selling my character. My character is my history and reputation within EVE (such as they are). Moreover, after using the character for 9 years, I've kind of grown attached. Finally, I like being able to do all of the many different things this toon is capable of. I just find the exponential ramp-up in clone costs prohibitive, especially since I can only use something like 30% (or less) of those skillpoints at any given time.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-01-23 17:29:25 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
In no way was this the subject of discussion. Your post reveals that you lack the gleam of intelligence required to be a forum troll, therefore I assume you lack the education to process the information. As friendly internet traveler I suggest you consider:

Reading Comprehension
http://www.phx.devry.edu/samplereadingcomprehensionquestions.html

DeVry will sort you out, they offer 8 week sessions and the next one is opening in only 6 weeks, so register now!


Biggest piece of sh*tposting I've ever seen. The terrible attempt at sarcastic humour could've ended after "subject of discussion". You, sir, get an award.

Dodixie > Hek

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