EVE General Discussion

the problem is if you follow that line of thinking minorities will always be sidelined and ignored.
eve is one of the few games where you're not handed everything on a plate and told you're a special snowflake. you're handed nothing and mocked relentlessly for your stupidity. the very fact it's not like every other game is why me, and i assume, so many other people play it.

it all boils down to whether ccp want a popular game, or a good game. wow is popular but it isn't good, for example. 50 shades of grey is popular, but it isn't good. the list goes on.

What CCP wants is a profitable game. They don't seem to realize they have been shooting themselves in the foot on a regular basis while trying to get there.

People are going to complain no matter what gets done, even if it ultimately doesn't hurt them in any sense of the word. Ultimately got to identify who has legitimate cause, and who is just complaining because they can't stand any sort of change.

Maybe he has a case of selective awareness.
His words indicate that quite some times.

Like with the minority comment. He only sees what he wants to see, projecting his beliefs even onto CCP.

I agree with your statement that the system itself shouldn't determine what size group particular content requires, but I hope CCP continue to provide new content with varying degrees of difficulty so that solo players don't get "shut out" of new content by default.

I disagree with your conclusions about the reasons for lack of grouping.

While it's true that lack of grouping *CAN* be self inflicted and *CAN* be a result of virtual greed, that isn't always the case and I would argue that generally it isn't greed that drives the solo player to act alone in EVE - most solo players who've posted in this thread have quoted RL not maximisation of ISK/hr as the reason they play solo.

Sure you could argue that RL constraints are self-inflicted, but frankly it'd be a pretty poor specimen of humanity who chose to put a computer game over RL.

Z3

I thought this whole thread was about who the majority, and the minority are. ??

Not if they beat up the guy who keeps pointing it out.

I agree with the sentiment of non consensual pvp, but I don't agree with it not being "made for MORE people" since this game has shown that viral marketing via offsite forums has brought in a slew of people to join a side and create a larger blob to dctate how things get done.

However, I do think Eve is designed to support the people who want to be here (knowing Eve for what it is, not coming here thinking to reinvent the wheel) knowing full well that although you CAN do almost anything you want, you shouldn't. That taboo has a definite appeal in the face of games that are regulated by GMs to support candyasses.

Confused myself.


No,
Not more in the sense it's not designed to appeal to the mass market.

WoW is made to try and appeal to EVERYONE, EVE is not.

I for one solo player am not saying the nature of the game needs to be changed at all, and I don't think the OP was advocating that either, even if other posters seem to be.

I guess this just highlights the vast spectrum of people who play EVE - from those who want a safe themepark (and who I think should find another game to play), to those casual / solo players like me who love the game as it is but wish for more options given the limitations we face in our playtime, all the way through to the hardcore gamers with no rl to interfere with their EVE time who presumably form a large part of the nullsec alliances.

Having said the NATURE (dark deadly and dastardly) of the game shouldn't change, the CONTENT is going to change whether any of us want it to or not - new features, iterations, balancing - so I think it's fair enough for what are at least a significant minority (16% per Tippia) if not an outright majority (solo-played CHARACTERS, including market and mission alts) to put forward their wish for content that doesn't exclude the solo playstyle. Not carebear stuff, not safe or themepark stuff, just stuff that can be done by one player. We're not asking for all of CCP's focus, just a fair share (and not to be ignored).

And I think as well that the longer solo players stick around EVE, the more they learn about the game and the other players, the more directly they're likely to interact with other players. Some people just dive right into those interactions, others take time to do so, some will probably never go there. But the more there is to keep people interested in the game, the better for CCP (more $) and the more chance there is for those players to find some form of direct interaction they like.

For me, I'm now training SBs and am looking forward to some solo WH hunting...

Z3