Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Having read through all of this and played with the stats i'm really not convinced. I appreciate the acknowledgement that the current system is broken, but it just feels like you are leaving the whole broken system in place, and just adding a slightly bodged workaround.

I'm sure others will agree when i say it feels just a bit too messy for my liking. We're getting left with part-made systems that arent really cutting it. ASBs brought shield tanking back to eve in a big way, but have since been nerfed to hell and really aren't viable anymore except on a couple of ships perhaps.

My opinion is that you are viewing the WHOLE active tanking purpose wrong. When i active tank a ship it isn't becuase i want a short burst of insane tank, it's becuase i need a way to prolong my life over more drawn out fights. The two classics current systems are to buffer up and try to "kill before being killed" or to fit a tank, and use strategy and tactics to outlast your opponents. The AAR seems to completely go against this, as it gives you a very short lifespan and making that count can be tricky, i'm not sure why i wouldn't just go for a buffer? You need to realise, for the majority of players it's not a case of, "ok this has a rep bonus, so i need to play to that", it's actually a case of "i'll just use a different BC"

The one module theory is a great idea! The current system for Hypes and Myrms in particular is that unless you are in a big gang (where you should be buffer anyway) you really need 3 reps, and by then you arent left with much flexibility in your fit. I think it's wrong that currently there really is only one way to fit an armour hyperion, the the very last mod, we all know what it has fit. 1 repping module really opens this up, which i love, but not if it means my 300mil BS has about 30 seconds to win the fight, or else it's ******!

TL;DR. Active tanking is meant to give you staying power! You go in at a disadvantage, but if you can reduce their dps you can tip the fight back in your favour. These AAR mods are completely agaisnt staying power, they are just another mod to give you a few seconds to gank something which we already have.... plates!

How did you get that 17%?

When comparing to 7.5% rep bonus, the 5% resist bonus is only 3% behind the rep bonus.
At level 5 with the rep bonus, you would get 37.5% increase in rep, or each point repped is worth 1.375 times more.
At level 5 with a 5% per level resist bonus, you take 25% less damage. Each point is worth 1.333 times as much. 1/.75 = 1.333..
The resist bonus also gives you more buffer.

I'm simply comparing the biggest modules that I can fit on the ship. But sure, if it makes you feel better, LASB is also better than MAR on a MAR ship.

I don't think having twice as much tank and 34% more dps is the new definition of "gimped".



True, web(s) are nice. But they won't help you against an ASB BC- your MARs can't tank them, and you don't have the dps to break them, and they wouldn't go anywhere because BCs use MWDs. Smaller ships you can't catch in the first place, resulting in a trade-off that most Myrm pilots consider acceptable- it's the MAR tank that gimps your ship.


About this 5% resist bonus vs 7.5% rep bonus confusion:

1. Resist bonus on Gallente BCs won't make them suddenly useful in fleets. Consider the ships as a whole, blasters and drones aren't fleet weapons.

2. 5% resist bonus on Gallente BCs would make their MAR tanks even weaker. Not by much, but surely it is the wrong direction and frankly idk what people hope this will "fix".

3. Increasing their EHP would mean adjusting their other stats. Why fly Amarr ships, if Gal BCs tank like them, while being faster, more agile and have more dps. So we'd have to tone them down, and as a result we'd kill variety.

Not all ships are for large fleets, and they don't have to be. The ships that work in large fleets won't necessarily work for solo and small gang. I think this variety is precious to keep.



Is it really so that buffing MARs and LARs would make them OP in some scenario? You are always trading damage for tank with active armor. I don't think it's unreasonable to except that you gain a better tank then than shield tank, and not the other way around.

This. about a million times this.
Why can't you see the issue here ?


Fozzie, you've made an amazing rebalance for the ships, so that's probably why everyone is whining. You can solve this!
OR maybe that's because eve players like to moan :)

Not sure what is the best way to fix this... But it definitely has to be fixed...


Regarding AAR... Not really sure what to think about this.. Even if it should be a burst repair, I don't feel like overheating repairers to make it work will be a viable solution for pvp, unless you dock between fights...

To sum it up:

ASBs should require capacitor. Neut-immune tank that is usually found on ships with neut immune weapons is just too much and doesn't make any sense.

Allowing oversizing is a terrible idea that makes balance impossible. Restrict each ship class to a choice between a light and heavy plate/extender and the intended active tanking module and then you CAN balance everything.

NOTE 1: oversizing propulsion mods is OK in my opinion and can stay.
NOTE 2: oversized mods actually decrease choice and variety because oversizing is almost always the way to go.

Ancillary Armor Repairer doesn't make sense. It doesn't save you a slot and uses the same cap charges that armor tanking ships typically need to keep their weapons running.

Active armor tanking besides the AAR is still bad (possibly worse since the associated rigs may make certain fits impossible.

Neuts exist to counter active tanks that cannot easily be broken via dps. Are neuts too good for this purpose? Possibly.

Making ASB tanks immune to neuts isn't the answer though. ASB tanks should consume a low amount of cap while they have charges loaded. That makes them more resilient to neuts but not immune.

What? What? Whaaaat!?

CCP Fozzie, don't worry about being curt on the forums. You are allowed to be human.

Wow ... caters to both common sense and the RP/Lore aspect, plus it solves all cargo issues PLUS it will act as a boost to entry level PI (nanite paste takes a lot of low end crap if I recall).

What's not to like?

The tears on this forum would be EPIC.