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How do you kill the Venture?
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Obvious Cyno
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2013-01-22 17:49:40 UTC
Drop dreads.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2013-01-22 18:31:30 UTC
Step 1: Buy a Talos
Step 2: Make her open the Talos
Step 3: Blap

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#123 - 2013-01-22 19:00:44 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Step 1: Buy a Talos
Step 2: Make her open the Talos
Step 3: Blap

Some lol-worthy kills there...

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Josh Schrodinger
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#124 - 2013-01-22 19:04:35 UTC
Like this.
Bruce Kemp
Suddenly taken over
#125 - 2013-01-22 19:48:39 UTC
Ovv Topik wrote:
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
So a +2 point is not enough to scram it?

Glad the topic was brought up cuase I have my eyes on a couple of venture bots.


Anyone got a kill they can link so we can see the fit?


venture kill

venture kill!

venture kill!!

Simple really, nano dram with +4 point of scram, all caught in belts. Pirate
Silindra Hanaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#126 - 2013-01-22 20:01:03 UTC
It would take a fleet of 5 Ventures to match the production capability of 1 Retriever.

So really what is the point of even worrying about Ventures?

" oh no, people might actually go into low - sec now! THE WORLD IS AT AN END "

Alot more things to worry about the Ventures I would think. Maybe a ship that has combat capability? ...
Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
#127 - 2013-01-23 00:56:47 UTC
Aditu Riraille wrote:
Siigari Kitawa wrote:
Once the Venture starts mining [lowsec] ores, what can you expect the income/hr to be? Surely not better than mining highsec in a Hulk?


Good question Siigari. I am using my Venture mostly in HiSec as I am new and trying out all sorts of things in EVE. But here is a rough estimate on what I can pull down in HiSec with only Rats and fellow miners as a concern:

Using 2 Mining Laser II at a rate of 190m3/minute it takes 14 cycles (7 per laser) to fill the Ore Hold. Add the occasional break for changing asteroids and interruptions for rats and I find that it takes roughly 30 to 45 minutes to make 1 "run" to fill my Venture, depending greatly on whether it's Veldspar at .1 volume or Plagioclase at .35 volume. Lately, I have been bringing in between 700k - 900k ISK depending on the price regardless of the ore type. Of course you have to add total time out and back as well, so maybe 750K per hour on the low side? Do we include just the time needed to mine or the whole process?

As far as LowSec goes- pure conjecture as I have only done it once in a Catalyst and got my *** handed to me. But going through the exercise- I would think a healthy increase of around 25-50% in time required by a Venture pilot just playing the avoidance game. After all, the point of being in LowSec is moot if you can't manage to get back out again and reap the rewards. That means fitting a cloak and some of the other avoidance gear peeps have mentioned above.

Second, the ores are a bit bigger volume-wise (Kernite 1.2, Jaspet 2, Hemorphite/Hedergite 3), so there is a reduction in time required to fill that 5000m3 ore hold in LowSec, but whether it will be worth it? Something tells me that practical experience would show that the risk in LowSec ends up being a bit too much compared to HiSec- considering your Venture and gear along with your implants is much more likely to end up as space pixels.

Then again, maybe my math is all wrong! I always did stink at math... Oops

AR

Your math is way off. It'll take you just as long to fill that hold, as your mining rate is cubic meters per minute. So you'll just get less units of ore per minute, but the same m3. It's just that hose m3 are worth a hole damn lot more than those you pull in high sec.

Or...that's the general idea anyway.

"Shoot at anything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."

"Do not be too positive. The light at the end of the tunnel could be a train." - Franz Kafka
yer mammy
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2013-01-23 00:58:46 UTC  |  Edited by: yer mammy
arty tornado with 2 sebos. maybe i've just been lucky.
Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
#129 - 2013-01-23 01:00:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ancy Denaries
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Smartbombing battleship on gate

And those are easy to avoid if you just know how. Unless it's remarkably well placed, in which case you can just reroute, or try another day.

Not to mention, falling asleep on a stargate with smartbombs has to be REEEEEEEEEEEEEEALLY exciting. :S

"Shoot at anything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."

"Do not be too positive. The light at the end of the tunnel could be a train." - Franz Kafka
Cowboy Nuggets
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#130 - 2013-01-23 02:30:45 UTC
Just put your lips together and blow.
Usagi Toshiro
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#131 - 2013-01-23 03:55:49 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
I like that miners in lowsec are running gatecamps. This is exactly what many have been trying to realize for YEARS.

Think about it. Miners with the testicular fortitude to cross a lowsec gate, brave a camp, and SUCCEED... all so they can chew some rocks in an open PvP area. (without making too much in profits for the effort) Isn't this exactly what we've all wanted?

It's not a stationary AFK hulk or mack in highsec. It's someone going up against your gatecamp and SURVIVING because they have the tools to do so with a reasonable chance. There are counters to catch these slippery things, but you have to plan for it. This is a hallmark of excellent balancing.




Exactly this.


Extra props for using the phrase "testicular fortitude."

Bear

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Lothix VSX
#132 - 2013-01-23 08:45:27 UTC
Fit a Venture for PvP - they will think you're just a friendly miner! But why kill them when they're so cute.
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#133 - 2013-01-23 09:34:04 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
I love them, and I only build and sell them. And boy do they sell.


For a lot!
Miners are crazy.


Especially considering you get one for free from the industry career mission, second mission in the chain.
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#134 - 2013-01-23 09:35:58 UTC
Bruce Kemp wrote:
Ovv Topik wrote:
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
So a +2 point is not enough to scram it?

Glad the topic was brought up cuase I have my eyes on a couple of venture bots.


Anyone got a kill they can link so we can see the fit?


venture kill

venture kill!

venture kill!!

Simple really, nano dram with +4 point of scram, all caught in belts. Pirate


And none of them had a cloak fitted. What if they did?
Aldebaran Aubaris
Free-lances
#135 - 2013-01-23 11:24:32 UTC
Thomas Gore wrote:
Bruce Kemp wrote:
Ovv Topik wrote:
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
So a +2 point is not enough to scram it?

Glad the topic was brought up cuase I have my eyes on a couple of venture bots.


Anyone got a kill they can link so we can see the fit?


venture kill

venture kill!

venture kill!!

Simple really, nano dram with +4 point of scram, all caught in belts. Pirate


And none of them had a cloak fitted. What if they did?


Nor did they have a warp core stabiliser either.
Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
#136 - 2013-01-23 19:11:32 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
I like that miners in lowsec are running gatecamps. This is exactly what many have been trying to realize for YEARS.

Think about it. Miners with the testicular fortitude to cross a lowsec gate, brave a camp, and SUCCEED... all so they can chew some rocks in an open PvP area. (without making too much in profits for the effort) Isn't this exactly what we've all wanted?

It's not a stationary AFK hulk or mack in highsec. It's someone going up against your gatecamp and SURVIVING because they have the tools to do so with a reasonable chance. There are counters to catch these slippery things, but you have to plan for it. This is a hallmark of excellent balancing.


Here. Have ALL my likes.

"Shoot at anything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."

"Do not be too positive. The light at the end of the tunnel could be a train." - Franz Kafka
Fragwit
Tellurian Works
#137 - 2013-01-23 20:20:39 UTC
Good strong snuff and a little timing.
Approach your victim cloaked up in a stealth bomber and at point of contact inhale snuff deeply and hold, as you decloak you should be able to sneeze that venture out of existence leaving you to lock and pop his pod while he tries to work out why those mining lasers dont seem to be cycling.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#138 - 2013-01-23 21:57:40 UTC
I like to find them AFK on a gate

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#139 - 2013-01-24 00:09:35 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Step 1: Buy a Talos
Step 2: Make her open the Talos
Step 3: Blap



Didn't worked very well for that MNI
But yeah, I can agree the best hard hitting BC can deal with most frigates.

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#140 - 2013-01-24 00:45:18 UTC
Some days, I fly all 4 of my accounts into lowsec in cloaky stabbed mwd ventures. I dont mine anything, I just go from system to system, and laugh at the locals. Then I link some bpos or other treats in local, and tell the locals that I'm hauling them through. It gets them really excited. Then I just cloak up for a while.

So many tears.