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Detained journalist linked to violent holoreels found dead in Ladistier.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#21 - 2013-01-21 14:36:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Messer Hakatain is the only Caldari gentleman here who has shown some actual intellect in deconstructing what developed here. Both the Federation and Caldari justice systems are just that; systems. When you knock off an individual just because "Well we don't like you or what you do" without due process, you undermine your entire code of justice. It's completely arbitrary; you can proceed to just execute anyone you want at a whim. I know the Caldari system is authoritarian, but it is certainly not tyrannical. If I was a Caldari, I'd be ashamed for thinking it acceptable to just off anyone you don't like.

The rest of you are also forgetting the previous development.

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The journalist being detained by the Caldari Providence Directorate has apparently been supplying "actionable intelligence" to the Caldari State, according to a leaked report from the Caldari Navy. The contents of the report have renewed calls for the journalist to be handed over to Federal authorities, which the State has repeatedly denied.


Your Provists were sheltering the journalist from Federation spooks. This comes regardless of the distasteful work he has been doing.

Neither FedGov nor the State are clean in this matter. As Messer Rundle has already pointed out, the truth behind this matter has been lost. We're simply plebs. If you simply want to nod profusely and utter "Oh yes, our governments are always correct, absolutely", then you will remain a pleb.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2013-01-21 18:02:09 UTC
In all that talking above Msr Inhonores has said at least one thing that I agree with.

The truth of this matter is lost. Someone took a great deal of effort to kill everyone who had spoken with this man and destroy the building where he was being detained. Now, I understand why the Black Eagles might want him dead, rather than cooperating with State Inquiries, but I'm struggling to find a reason why the Provists wouldn't simply have pushed him up against a wall for a firing squad - without then later destroying both firing squad AND wall.

Really, would executing this criminal for his crimes have caused any outrage within the State? A majority of my kirjuun reacted to his death with little more than the words "I'm glad."

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#23 - 2013-01-21 20:07:33 UTC
People do not tend to really care to bypass laws when they are emotionally involved.
Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#24 - 2013-01-22 22:09:35 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Tobias Annages wrote:
...rouge elements within the State military


This is why it's always a bad idea to put makeup on a Civire man...


There, I fixed your quote for you.

I haven't seen these videos, nor do I care. Anytime someone watches playback of a fleet fight in space, you're essentially watching a snuff film for hundreds or thousands of individuals. Yet it seems to be a popular pastime around the cluster.

Why is this any different?

Glory

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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#25 - 2013-01-23 02:09:21 UTC
Sakura Nihil wrote:
I haven't seen these videos, nor do I care. Anytime someone watches playback of a fleet fight in space, you're essentially watching a snuff film for hundreds or thousands of individuals. Yet it seems to be a popular pastime around the cluster.

Why is this any different?


I think I can be of help to you in answering this question, ma'am.

Watching video or holo of people, with their faces and bodies visible, triggers mirror neurons which activate sympathetic structures within the brain. This creates empathy, emotion, and in some cases, physical sensations or muscle movements. These powerful sensations are the foundation of our existence as social beings and play a part in all of our interactions, as well as our mental health.

Watching another person suffering injury, pain or death triggers strong emotions within us, for the aforementioned reasons. Watching hundreds or thousands die, but not actually being able to see the deaths, does not trigger these neutral structures. The feelings we feel are secondary emotions and not as strong, and can be overwhelmed by other emotions - patriotism, triumph, satisfaction of a job well done.

That is the difference between watching a thousand die in a reactor overload accident and watching a single individual die in brutality.
Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#26 - 2013-01-23 04:27:06 UTC
No doubt, I'm simply asking that standards be applied consistently.

I just find it amusing that people involved with killing thousands of people on a regular basis, be they other podder ships or pirate vessels, get so worked up over the loss of a few lives.

Glory

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Thoun Gaterau
Federal Intelligence Office
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-01-23 09:00:36 UTC

The inherent need within a Capsuleer's mentality to spin drama and conspiracy never ceases to amaze me.
Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-01-23 09:21:28 UTC
Thoun Gaterau wrote:

The inherent need within a Capsuleer's mentality to spin drama and conspiracy never ceases to amaze me.



Says the FIO spook.

                                              "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#29 - 2013-01-23 15:47:34 UTC
Sakura Nihil wrote:
No doubt, I'm simply asking that standards be applied consistently.

I just find it amusing that people involved with killing thousands of people on a regular basis, be they other podder ships or pirate vessels, get so worked up over the loss of a few lives.


Ma'am;

You are requesting psychopathy. Empathizing with individuals and small groups moreso than large groups is a hallmark of the human cognitive structure, as flawed as the fact may be.

I hope that you will come to cherish these instances of empathy instead of scorning them. They are few enough in the Cluster, and ought to be valued when encountered.
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