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Oh Rats, I keep untargeting

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Astrid T
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-01-22 23:20:24 UTC
I'm in a 0.7 area mining and NPC rats fly next to me and make me untarget my asteroids. Why and how can I protect myself against it?
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-01-22 23:25:40 UTC
put some drones on them, problem solved.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#3 - 2013-01-22 23:32:13 UTC
You're being "jammed" which breaks all target locks. As suggested, get a couple of drones and target the rats and attack them, and then when you get jammed, your drones will keep killing them.

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Merouk Baas
#4 - 2013-01-23 00:22:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Merouk Baas
Guristas rats use ECM jamming, and now you know what ECM does. Players can use it too, part of electronic warfare. You should see some sort of icon on the right edge of your overview, indicating which rat is jamming you, and when.

Get some drones, and make them attack the rats. If you set the drones to be aggressive (there's a settings button in the drone window when you're in space with them), they'll continue killing all the rats even if you're jammed and can't target them. You just need to target one rat and tell the drones to attack, and they'll finish all of them off.

Scout drones like Hobgoblin or Hornet shoudl do the job, 3-4 of them. Train the Drones skill to 4 and Scout Drone Operation to 3 to be able to control them. Buy them from the market, and put them in your mining ship's drone bay, and once you undock, you can right-click them and launch them and then order them around.

You can also bind keys to control them with a keypress, hit ESC and check your keybindings / drones tab. And you can assign them to groups so you can launch and control all of them at the same time (when you're in space with the drones in your drone bay, right-click each drone and choose Move To -> New Group, and name the group Hornets or Hobs or whatever).

A lot of the ships in the game use drones; they are a backup weapon system. Training to use drones is not a waste of skillpoints.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-01-23 00:48:06 UTC
Be careful with that agressive setting. Griefers like to use it against miners. If they target you and you are set to auto-target them back your drones will attack, giving them a green light to blow you up. This may have changed with the new safety system...I'm not sure.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#6 - 2013-01-23 01:16:11 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
Be careful with that agressive setting. Griefers like to use it against miners. If they target you and you are set to auto-target them back your drones will attack, giving them a green light to blow you up. This may have changed with the new safety system...I'm not sure.


Nope.

Aggressive drones will only attack things that go "red box" you. A target lock won't do anything until the other player attacks. This is the reason why my orca is on the killmail for a tempest that suicided on me xD

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Astrid T
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-01-23 01:32:59 UTC
Thank you all for the feedback. So their is no module or training to defend against ECM Jamming?
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#8 - 2013-01-23 01:36:54 UTC
Fit the ECCM module the matches the sensor type of your ship, either Gravimetric, Magnetometric, Radar, or Ladar

And also train the sensor strength skill that matches.

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Andriea Chikatilo
Down to None
#9 - 2013-01-23 02:05:14 UTC
Has anyone considered its just auto lock back? (default setting) Even in hi sec I would suggest you train drones to t2 and if you are in Guristas space (everyone seemed to assume) that would be Hornets you would want to train to.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Damage_types

Also if you plan to mine, work on shield skills.Use the above link to plan shield training, if it is Guristas, they deal Kinetic first and Thermal second so train to that. Always fit to a ships strengths as well....if it gives shield bonuses (usually stated in the Description page)then train/fit to those bonuses.

Hope it helps, fly safe.
Merouk Baas
#10 - 2013-01-23 02:50:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Merouk Baas
Astrid T wrote:
Thank you all for the feedback. So their is no module or training to defend against ECM Jamming?


Against players or 1-3 rats, you'd fit ECCM (ECM Counter-Measures), as posted above, but if you enter a mission area and 50 of them target you and all jam you - there's no freaking chance. You resist 1-2, means you're still jammed by 48.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#11 - 2013-01-23 18:22:57 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
Be careful with that agressive setting. Griefers like to use it against miners. If they target you and you are set to auto-target them back your drones will attack, giving them a green light to blow you up. This may have changed with the new safety system...I'm not sure.


Nope.

Aggressive drones will only attack things that go "red box" you. A target lock won't do anything until the other player attacks. This is the reason why my orca is on the killmail for a tempest that suicided on me xD


They go after anything you're allowed, legally, to attack and is marked hostile to you. Generally, people trying to get a miner's drones to smack them would steal some of the ore from their can to become a valid target.

Not having done much with aggression-mechanics-sensitive PVP in the last month or two (really, the last year or two, most of my high-sec PVP has involved actual war-targets and my "greifing" has mostly been messing with people in w-space) I can't really tell you for sure what's up with the current mechanics, but I would ASSUME that if you set your red/yellow/green switch to green it would also prevent your drones from doing anything that would result in a criminal/aggression flag, which includes attacking even legal players.

If anything, the r/y/g switch system errs on the side of too much safety, every time you log out it goes back to green, and if you forget to set it it can prevent you from engaging your point in FW when you _want_ to do aggressive things.
Steven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-01-23 20:38:37 UTC
Never ever seen jamming rats in a 0.7 asteroid belt.

I know they are there in null but not sure if high sec has them in normal belts.
What I think is going on...he is mining nearly depleted asteroids.
Astrid T
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-01-24 19:37:49 UTC
Steven Koskanaiken wrote:
Never ever seen jamming rats in a 0.7 asteroid belt.

I know they are there in null but not sure if high sec has them in normal belts.
What I think is going on...he is mining nearly depleted asteroids.

She is not. She is seeing the red npc lock onto her. Fly at her and when she sees this little red and gold manhole cover looking icon above her shields/armor/hull , her targeting drops. Once she is done with training mining, she'll work on some drones P
Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#14 - 2013-01-24 21:13:59 UTC
Astrid T wrote:
Steven Koskanaiken wrote:
Never ever seen jamming rats in a 0.7 asteroid belt.

I know they are there in null but not sure if high sec has them in normal belts.
What I think is going on...he is mining nearly depleted asteroids.

She is not. She is seeing the red npc lock onto her. Fly at her and when she sees this little red and gold manhole cover looking icon above her shields/armor/hull , her targeting drops. Once she is done with training mining, she'll work on some drones P


Yeah, that's jamming.

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. …"