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Why I quit eve after 5 long years of game play.

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Spawne32
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-01-22 20:13:26 UTC
First off, let me say that I full well expect this post to be flamed like crazy from the vast majority of eve players, but I feel it is important to the future of the game to get out my reason's for leaving eve. I have always been a huge fan of the concept of game play that eve has, a massive MMO environment that allows for every aspect of play style you can possibly imagine, it is part of the reason that eve has been so successful for so long, where as other MMO's will die out after a few years. The new integration which allows dust ps3 players to play with eve pc players is beyond measure the greatest leap we have seen in the past 20 years to games in general. However all of this greatness is not without some measure of inherent problems not only with the game itself, but the overall mentality of its players, and its designers.

When I first started playing eve back in 2008, it was a game that made you heavily invested into character development and gameplay. There was always a clear progression of when you would move from PVE game mechanics and become skilled enough to enter into PVP mechanics, and that time table and how and where to play was very easily discernible for most players, but in recent years this line has become blurred. This comes at a very great expense I feel to players that are not as invested in the game as others.

I've often complained countless times over the past 2 years that gameplay mechanics have changed for the worse, the play style that is often talked about in eve advertisement videos about the sandbox and null sec has intruded itself heavily into high sec (PVE play) space. An area of play that is supposed to be reserved for those with a much more casual style of play, or so we were led to believe so many years ago. Which had allowed eve to accommodate many different types of players, not just that hardcore gamer.

As of a few days ago, my entire 5 years worth of casual game play was destroyed in 20 minutes in a .9 system due to what i would refer to as an exploit in the flawed mechanics of high sec. I'm not even going to get into details about how or why because there isn't enough available characters to explain it, but myself and those of my corporation that I played with were beyond confused when the event unfolded. I find it incredibly sad to see the way this game is changing. Common things that we argue about here all the time, such as griefers, exploits, ganking, etc have all become common place, and heavily endorsed by CCP even though they don't directly say it, the changes in game mechanics clearly support players that invest their time terrorizing the casual players using whatever flaws in the system they can find. Or in this case we can call them "loopholes" in the laws of the game universe.

I think when it all comes down to it, it truly spiraled out of control though when CCP endorsed alternate accounts. This was a clear message to players that not only could you use these exploits in the system without consequence, you could now PAY real money to improve your ability to use them. Now you have a system where a player can destroy you on one player on one account, have another instance of the game open, with another player, on another account, steal your items off your wrecked ship (cargo ship at a high sec gate, or what have you) and move them to another character without consequence. All paid for and endorsed by the creators of the game for the sake of bringing in more account membership revenue.

Now obviously nothing that I say here will ever have any effect on the way the game is played, or changes in game mechanics, but I think its important to speak up for those out there that work a 9-5 job, and have to pay bills every month, vs those out there who come home from school, jump on their computer, and grief people with their teammates for the next 8 hours every day. That is the difference between a casual and a hardcore gamer, the differences in our real lives that dictate how we play, and it is unfortunate that Eve loses so many account memberships to this every day because there is no true dedication to the casual player.
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#2 - 2013-01-22 20:18:22 UTC
I've just got to say that if you've been playing for 5 years and could be completely wiped out in 20 minutes you've been doing *something* wrong.

Of course, if you aren't having fun you should be playing something else. After all, it's a game and fun is what it's for.

http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs

Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-01-22 20:20:15 UTC
I would gather that he is mad because of this.

I would guess that he shot a suspect, possibly in a mission, and then got destroyed. It looks like he just wanted some kind of special treatment because he's be carebearing in his little bubble a long time and how dare someone come interfere with his gameplay. Someone with less time in game than him, no less!
NickyYo
modro
The Initiative.
#4 - 2013-01-22 20:21:17 UTC
Could i get a TLDR; please?

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Spawne32
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-01-22 20:21:55 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
I would gather that he is mad because of this.

I would guess that he shot a suspect, possibly in a mission, and then got destroyed. It looks like he just wanted some kind of special treatment because he's be carebearing in his little bubble a long time and how dare someone come interfere with his gameplay. Someone with less time in game than him, no less!


Actually, i got a BM put on me after i got webbed and they warped in a small group of people who gained kill rights after warping in on my ship and knocking me back 50km. Then i was tackled, vamped, and destroyed. While my fleet watched.
Whitehound
#6 - 2013-01-22 20:23:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
NickyYo wrote:
Could i get a TLDR; please?

He left.

First he shot a Probe, which was probably in his mission and destroyed it.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15957130

5 minutes later does the Probe pilot show up with a Hurricane and killed his 1b ISK CN Scorpion.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15986030

Seems he got baited, says it was one player with his alt, and lost interest in EVE thereafter.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-01-22 20:23:25 UTC
Some people only learn the true nature of Eve after 5 years gameplay.

Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
Don't keep all your eggs in one basket.
Don't trust the other guy more than you have to.

Welcome to Eve; even though it is 5yrs too late.

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#8 - 2013-01-22 20:26:19 UTC  |  Edited by: War Kitten
Spawne32 wrote:
First off, let me say that I full well expect this post to be flamed like crazy from the vast majority of eve players, but I feel it is important to the future of the game to get out my reason's for leaving eve. I have always been a huge fan of the concept of game play that eve has, ...


I couldn't help but get to this part and think, "...until I was the one who got killed."

Going back to read more now, because it is very important that I understand exactly why you are quitting Eve...

EDIT:

Holy cluephones Batman! You've played since 2008 in a highsec bubble? I'm surprised Eve took that long to find you.

I love this closing quote though: "... there is no true dedication to the casual player."

Of course there isn't. Casual players aren't dedicated to the game - why should the game be dedicated to them?

Leave your stuffs at the gate on your way out please.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#9 - 2013-01-22 20:29:32 UTC
Pfft OP quits for losing a bladly fit, not-so-valuable ship?

Back in 2008 EvE was exactly like now, except you could alse be can flipped in missions.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#10 - 2013-01-22 20:32:14 UTC
I got to the part where he talked about being skilled enough at PVE to start doing PVP and stopped reading.

That's not a thing, at no point does doing PVE make you "ready" to PVP, being prepared for PVP is a mindset, a day old character in a thrasher flown by a brand new newbie can be vastly more "ready" for PVP if properly motivated and directed than a 5 year old carebear who runs missions in his faction battleship all day.
Rahmiro
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#11 - 2013-01-22 20:35:08 UTC
That's no reason to quit playing. Get yourself up, dust off and get back out there!

Try dishing it out for awhile.

I never seen these people in my life. I don't recognize them Your Honor

Din Chao
#12 - 2013-01-22 20:35:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Din Chao
Everything I need to know about this guy is right here.
Spawne32 wrote:
...high sec (PVE play) space...

And here.
Spawne32 wrote:
...we had a small salvage stealer...
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-01-22 20:36:54 UTC
Also, if you're not enjoying this game (it being work, apparently), then maybe you shouldn't play it.
kes88
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-01-22 20:40:41 UTC
As someone who runs at the first sign of PVP; I engaged a suspect the other day, got had, blowed up and got over it. In fact, the chap was very nice about it. He was clearly baiting the whole time, I figured why not? He's got a flag, I went for it and then POP :P

I can understand why this was upsetting if you only stick to PVE usually, but I don't see any reason for quitting here?
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-01-22 20:44:58 UTC
This is one of those long winded "I'm leaving Eve, boo hoo boo hoo" pity parties that rarely, if ever, ends with the poster actually unsubbing. What is really is, tbqfh, is a "Pay attention to me because I feel bad about myself" attention-whoring monologue that no one in their right minds gives two flying fucks about.

If you want to quit, go unsubscribe, dust your hands off, and QUIT ******* POSTING.
If you're not quitting, quit wasting everyone else's time with the abloo-abloo-abloo.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-01-22 20:45:37 UTC
Not gonna flame. But I have to bring up this quick thing. You go into a fairly lengthy post about why you are quitting EVE. Yet for all you say, you never actually went into the details.

First you say

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but I feel it is important to the future of the game to get out my reason's for leaving eve.


But then when you get to the interesting part of your post you say:

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I'm not even going to get into details about how or why because there isn't enough available characters to explain it,


So basically your entire post is fail.

Later on you explain a little, which sounds like a classic ninja salvager bait scenario. I haven't played EVE as long as you have, yet I know you NEVER SHOOT THOSE GUYS. Nothing has changed. That has always been the way. Subtle changes may have changed in the specifics of aggression, but the basic mechanics have stayed the same.

So in retrospect, it isn't EVE's fault. You finally got bit by a game mechanic that has always existed and wanna give up. Fair enough. In the end games are about fun, and if it isn't fun you shouldn't play. But don't make this the games fault. This situation has been there since before you started the game.
Arec Bardwin
#17 - 2013-01-22 20:47:00 UTC
So you shot a loot thief in a frigate and he came back with friends in hurricanes?
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-01-22 20:50:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD



RIDDANCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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An area of play that is supposed to be reserved for those with a much more casual style of play
Seriously, people saying crap like this deserve to be harrassed and killed until they leave for good.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#19 - 2013-01-22 20:59:04 UTC
What I don't understand is, how did you play EVE for that long and not hear about that bait-and-switch tactic? It's not exactly new.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!

Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#20 - 2013-01-22 20:59:25 UTC
you could always just branch out into other areas of the game. EVE has a lot to offer and casual players can do quite well, if they take the time to learn the mechanics of the game.
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