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Sentry drones and sleepers in C4
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Complex Potential
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-01-22 17:47:15 UTC
Basically, I love the dominix and can use T2 sentries. I've recently joined a wh corp where shield spider tanking is the prefered (lots of tengus).

I can fit up a pretty mean shield tank domi but are my sentry drones going to be continuously targeted as appears to happen with "normal" drones?

I have heard rumours that sentries do not draw aggro the way other drones do.

Has anyone got some first hand experience with this?
Cap James Tkirk
TEMPLAR.
The Initiative.
#2 - 2013-01-22 17:49:55 UTC
Generally in your potatoe your gonna be anchor if in a tengu gang just keep your eyes on your sentries and fit maybe an ewar if u can they will hate your reps and ewar alot
Complex Potential
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Caldari State
#3 - 2013-01-22 17:57:06 UTC
I appreciate the advice but that sounded a little like a guess (apologies if not). I am interested in hearing from anyone who has seen them being successfully used with their own eyes and if there was anything in particular that was required as a prerequisite.

We will be all remote repping but I'm not sure about ewar. I'd prefer to keep mids for a tank although I could spring for a navy domi if its likely to be a big aggro draw.
Svodola Darkfury
Cloak and Daggers
The Initiative.
#4 - 2013-01-22 20:20:19 UTC
Complex Potential wrote:
I appreciate the advice but that sounded a little like a guess (apologies if not). I am interested in hearing from anyone who has seen them being successfully used with their own eyes and if there was anything in particular that was required as a prerequisite.

We will be all remote repping but I'm not sure about ewar. I'd prefer to keep mids for a tank although I could spring for a navy domi if its likely to be a big aggro draw.


I've used both the Domi and the Navy domi with Sentries as you've described.

I GREATLY prefer the Navy Domi for the buffer, but the resists will be the same on either. Your sentries never pull aggro because you have logistics on the field. In frontier command posts there is a slight chance that the frigates MAY aggro your sentries, or that a sentry gun may shoot one of your sentries if you are closer than the warp in.

Also, normal drones shouldn't be getting targeted if you have anybody on the field who has a logistics mod fitted (remote armor, shield transporters). We run mix battleships and Basilisk often, and our Hobgoblins rarely get hit.

Svo.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-01-22 20:41:41 UTC
do these mods have to be used? or just fitted? does it make a difference if they are offlined?

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#6 - 2013-01-22 22:24:27 UTC
Kusum Fawn wrote:
do these mods have to be used? or just fitted? does it make a difference if they are offlined?


Used, why would you fit RR and then offline it?
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#7 - 2013-01-22 23:10:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
If your in a fleet with multiple ships on grid sleepers won't go for your drones too often and with sentries assuming you stay in range of them you can just scoop and redeploy.

Also if you want to stick to drones consider using a rattlesnake (or even a gila) - fits a mean shield tank and especially in a pulsar can also be fit to provide a decent amount of remote rep capabilities.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2013-01-23 01:37:54 UTC
RR your drones if they get shot at...
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#9 - 2013-01-23 05:03:18 UTC
Two RR fit Rattlesnakes and the rest GIlas. C4 anoms in about 3 1/2 minutes.

No trolling please
Shamus O'Reilly
Candy Cabal
#10 - 2013-01-23 06:06:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Shamus O'Reilly
Haven't been in Wspace that long myself (Almost a month now). But i have yet to honestly see a single sleeper target a drone from us. I had come in to Wspace expecting droneboats being useless but so far they have proven to be excelling beyond expectations and being better than many other ships.

Lil off topic but it points to drone usage/sentries in WHs and i'd love an answer to this in general as actual use vs what i've heard is completely opposite. (In fact a sentry domi has soloed our sites on occasion and the pilot never had to recall its drones)

Edited: C3 not C4. Don't know if this has any effect on drone targeting.

"I swear there are more people complaining over "nullsecers complaining" then actual nullsec people complaining."
Complex Potential
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-01-23 07:05:57 UTC
Svodola Darkfury wrote:
Complex Potential wrote:
I appreciate the advice but that sounded a little like a guess (apologies if not). I am interested in hearing from anyone who has seen them being successfully used with their own eyes and if there was anything in particular that was required as a prerequisite.

We will be all remote repping but I'm not sure about ewar. I'd prefer to keep mids for a tank although I could spring for a navy domi if its likely to be a big aggro draw.


I've used both the Domi and the Navy domi with Sentries as you've described.

I GREATLY prefer the Navy Domi for the buffer, but the resists will be the same on either. Your sentries never pull aggro because you have logistics on the field. In frontier command posts there is a slight chance that the frigates MAY aggro your sentries, or that a sentry gun may shoot one of your sentries if you are closer than the warp in.

Also, normal drones shouldn't be getting targeted if you have anybody on the field who has a logistics mod fitted (remote armor, shield transporters). We run mix battleships and Basilisk often, and our Hobgoblins rarely get hit.

Svo.


Thanks. I was refering to that beautiful extra med slot on the navy domi with regard to ewar but I can see how it would generally be a preferable option.

I'm currently training up for the good old Tengu and the domi is basically a stand in ship until then. However, if the domi really works well, I could invest in a navy domi instead of a tengu when the time comes. Would probably be cheaper.
Complex Potential
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-01-23 07:09:38 UTC
Rroff wrote:

Also if you want to stick to drones consider using a rattlesnake (or even a gila) - fits a mean shield tank and especially in a pulsar can also be fit to provide a decent amount of remote rep capabilities.

Hmm... A rattlesnake would be a nice shiny but at twice the price of a navy domi, I'm not sure the improvement would make much difference in my case. Can you get more dps out of a rattlesnake? I suspect yes.
Svodola Darkfury
Cloak and Daggers
The Initiative.
#13 - 2013-01-23 07:28:56 UTC
Complex Potential wrote:
Rroff wrote:

Also if you want to stick to drones consider using a rattlesnake (or even a gila) - fits a mean shield tank and especially in a pulsar can also be fit to provide a decent amount of remote rep capabilities.

Hmm... A rattlesnake would be a nice shiny but at twice the price of a navy domi, I'm not sure the improvement would make much difference in my case. Can you get more dps out of a rattlesnake? I suspect yes.



No.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.
Complex Potential
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-01-23 07:57:53 UTC
That makes it easy then.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2013-01-23 10:59:07 UTC
How much dps RR Tengus put out and what ranges after the HML change?



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czMulti
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-01-23 11:28:21 UTC
c5 cap escalations - drones get shot a lot. even with logi and heavy ewar on the field.
Complex Potential
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-01-23 12:17:46 UTC
cz - This thread is specifically about sentry drones (which tend to be treated differently in much of the game). Are we talking about the same thing?
Complex Potential
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-01-23 12:19:13 UTC
On a related note, I am also reading that sentry drones struggle to hit sleepers without a couple of omnidirectional tracking links. Anyone able to confirm or deny? If true, is it just the cruisers and frigs that are tough to hit or does that also include the larger ships?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#19 - 2013-01-23 12:52:52 UTC
You'll want at least two Omnis on any sentry ship, not only for tracking but for range. In addition you'll like a target painters and a web. You can use light drones for the frigs, even though sentries will hit multi-webbed and painted frigs.

Shield RR Domi is much worse than armor RR Domi because it needs the mids for tank and not damage application.

Just tell your buddies to train Domis :)



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Meytal
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-01-23 13:04:06 UTC
Don't let the Sleeper frigates get into orbit range. If they do, they will have a higher tendency to target smaller things like drones (sentries and scouts). If you warp in at range, sentries can take out the frigs as they MWD to you at zero transversal, unless you have someone else using light drones. It's funny to hear someone cuss the Sleepers cause they lost a drone or two ... until it happens to you :)

If the frigates get into orbit, you'll have a harder time hitting them with sentries.
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