Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As simple as it is.
Remove pos mining modules , or allow at the same time to harvest stuff from moon belts - or something like this.

This change would be hilarious, I highly approve.

Imagine, CFC an HBC having to live / work where their money was earnt!

Brilliant.

Like I said this by all means needs work and more thought but just increase the fitting of moon harvester so they can't be wrapped in cotton wool by a deathstar.

While I'm at keyboard I would also suggest that the harvester have no reinforced timer but their HP should reflect this, so no defence and the harvester destructs I believe this would make for one of the isk sinks ccp likes so much.

Yes, but that limits you to gangs of snipers. What about the various other kinds of HAC roams, bombers, cynabals, frigates, t1 cruisers and all the other fun stuff people come roaming in? If you're trying to force fights, which is (I believe) the point of this suggestion, why should you only be able to do it in snipers?

How about keep moon mining as a corporate level conflict driver, and create new systems for driving small gang conflics.


Like the ability to upgrade systems for PvE that will support more than just a handful of people, pulling null player back into THEIR space, and giving small gangs targets.

I'm not sure I understand the facination with conflict drivers that revolve around shooting stationary structures in an effort to get others to come out and shoot you. What's to keep the corporation from just waiting for you to leave, and then go in and fix it if they dont' have the members immediatly available because they're all in NPC null or high sec doing PvE to earn isk.

Sound to me like it's more of an issue with people NOT playing in the space they own.
If we just fix that, then samll gangs would have **** to shoot that isn't a structure, and would encourage others to shoot back.

Yes, I'm aware.

The harvester is a "corporate level structure", used to fund "corporate level activity". Shooting it impacts at the "corporate level", and is therefore going to incite a response at a "corporate level".

If you're going to shoot something that is owned by the "corporation" you should expect the corporation to bring all force to bare.

The "corporation" has a vested interest in that structure, not the line members.

The line members are out making ISK. Often times they aren't doing that in there space. We should be encouraging "small gang" activity, at the "line member level".


Also, consider what you're saying.
Take a small gang, PARK them in a specific place, and then shoot an object that the CORPORATION has a direct interest in; for the sake of generating small gang activity.

A conflct driver is intended to make someone come out and shoot you.

What you expect is, a proportioinate level of response. What you will get is, whatever is needed to crush you.


I'm saying,
Sure, it'll be a conflict driver; small gangs could do it, but you won't get the RESPONSE you're looking for.

You want to be able to shoot at an "equivilent force".
We need something that will put "equivilent forces" in that space. They should ALREADY be there, not summoned.

Conflict drivers that CALL people to you, will only ever result in disproportionate levels of response. CCP should not create mechanics that enforce restraint upon people.

They should create mechanics that put people in the space, before you started roaming there.

PvE content is a conflict driver.
Tell me about NPC null.


You should shoot a corporate structure because you want to have an impact at the corporate level, and therefore encite LARGE scale conflict.

agree with this idea however a few changes. add Rf timer, require some wort of fuel (mins for nothing is broken) make attackable by small gangs (low HP) and make them Hackable) More below.

It is very often that I hear the terms fortress and farm. the fortress is where you build your weapons of war and rally your armies. the farm is where you gather the resources to feed your army.

Enter Moon-mining and POS's they combine both of these into 1 package making a harvestor into a hard target rather then a soft target. if your looking to burn down your enemies farm then WTF do you need to bring Dreads/Supers to do it? (equivalent to bringing a cannon to burn down a farm) those are supposed to be used for taking down the fortress, you should bring a couple raiders on horseback with torches (small scale disruption, the dolthraki way). stand alone moon harvesters are defiantly a more sensible way to go

moon harvesters are stand alone structures requiring fuel (liquid ozone and heavy water), can be shot by small gangs, once shields are gone the assault force can hack the harvester (takes many many cycles) and take the contents. After the harvester (farm/field) is pillaged (should take about an hour or so) the assault force continues firing the harvester becomes reinforced when armor hits 30%. After the timer is up (1day) assault force returns and goes for the kill.

this system will accomplish quiet allot in terms of 0.0 control and moon materials (it can also be scaled to work in conjunction with planetary ring mining which im certain is not going to be the sole source of moon mins). if you can't defend your harvester from a small roaming force then you lose out on the moon minerals you have mined (see controlling/living in the space you have Sov over) also there are many empty moons in the universe that are unclaimed because its not worth fueling a small tower for the 20-50Mil a month profit you might receive (this means more minerals will actually hit the market). this also opens up a whole new area of game play for pirates/raiders. and i think that if this were implemented you would see 0.0 and lowsec become a whole lot more crowded.

Yet another moon mining cartel in the making throw fuel blocks at pos every fortnight just give the star map a blue background now cause the longer this goes on it will be the only setting required for map browsing.