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Just be happy with what you picked dingus

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Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-01-22 10:20:44 UTC
I'm not saying they are defending slavery from a IRL prespective. I was just making a comparison.

People get worked over their chosen faction just about as much over the country they were born or live in.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2013-01-22 14:35:02 UTC
Mostly, I get annoyed when flawed and edgy nation #1 is always portrayed as the evil villains, and flawed and edgy nation #2 is always portrayed as the heroic and dashing good guys.
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#43 - 2013-01-22 15:40:06 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Exactly. It's not that the whole Cluster is evil and hopelessly lost.

It's just that anyone who matters seems to be. Including all of us.


If you want to feel true fear, apply that thinking to the real world...
Da Dom
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2013-01-23 07:02:17 UTC
Your not really talking about adding different toppings to a pre-made cookie, your making an argument about products that are mass produced tasting better than a homemade meal.

If fast food is your thing, then that's fine...

But I'm a cook. I can take the same ingredients and make several different meals from scratch.

Because Far-que... That's why.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#45 - 2013-01-26 11:26:26 UTC
Sadly the only anarchist faction in New Eden would be the Rogue Drones.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Kwan Enderas
Doomheim
#46 - 2013-02-02 04:02:45 UTC
How do Caldari have no positive aspects? Its pretty clear that they are a hardcore meritocracy, I wouldn't say its a dystopia at all. Hell, the whole deal with Tibus Heth is that the mega-corps stopped acting like real meritocracies and started screwing over all the little guys and letting the rich keep cushy jobs, regardless of competency.

Tbh I think the divide between Caldari and Gallente is really smaller than they try to make it sound. They're both competitive, supporting of mega-corps, but the Gallente have a legitimate central government which takes semi-socialist policies with government investment. Maybe they're a tad less nationalistic too.
Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2013-02-03 04:57:05 UTC
I really dont know a lot about Caldari, except that they often get the same treatment as Amarr does as far as being the eeevil dark and gloomy bad guys in comparison to the light, happy and heroic Gallente. Even though i'm sure they have all sorts of positive things to them. (I don't play Caldari.) Most of what I ever see about them, beyond the core Gal/Cal conflict (which in spite of looking like it SHOULD make Gallente the heavies, never seems to) is this vague air of "Comrade, in Caldari State, holoreel watches you..."
Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#48 - 2013-02-03 10:13:17 UTC
Sometimes people pick races or classes or whatever based on gameplay mechanics, rather than anything contextual. And it usually leads to lore conflict like this.

At the same time however, this is what makes capsuleers so special. In some ways they can go against the status quo of their chosen race. Might help to also encourage it a little too. Smile

"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."

-Cold Wind
Mund Richard
#49 - 2013-02-03 13:47:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Mund Richard
Had a Caldari mission, went something like this...
I was told how unfortunate it would be, if the corporation's Executive X would happen to have a most tragic accident.
Although Executive Y might benefit from it.
Totally unrelated, Executive Y is a 'friend' of my agent (also in the same corp).
Even more totally unrelated, he suggests I take it easy after my last misson, and just go hang around in space, maybe a pleasure cruise?
There ain't any interesting data-slate on his desk he points out as he leaves, adding that maps are overrated, and surely this has nothing to do with the conversation we did not just have.


Gallente have mission where you kill your own as well though, if for a bit different reasoning.
Maire Gheren wrote:
I really dont know a lot about Caldari, except that they often get the same treatment as Amarr does as far as being the eeevil dark and gloomy bad guys in comparison to the light, happy and heroic Gallente.

Some of the missions, including the one I mentioned above, don't show that face of the Federation at all, but the other one...
Of course, if you skip reading the text, and focus on objectives, or just visit EVE-Survival, you miss out on it.

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2013-02-03 21:22:45 UTC
Tavin Aikisen wrote:
Sometimes people pick races or classes or whatever based on gameplay mechanics, rather than anything contextual. And it usually leads to lore conflict like this.
At the same time however, this is what makes capsuleers so special. In some ways they can go against the status quo of their chosen race. Might help to also encourage it a little too. Smile

You haven't read my position then? Because my objection isn't about wanting the Empire (and Caldari) to be good guys or different. My annoyance is that both lack positive interpretations (that aren't people trying to 'change the society' which is completely the antithesis of what I want), while the other two nations, which are JUST AS EVIL AND DARK, are portrayed as good and wholesome cultures. The wording turns it into this battle of good vs evil, when everything i've seen indicates that the intent is gray versus grey.
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2013-02-03 22:27:58 UTC
Guys... The thread is about people complaining about their choosen factions OOC instead of in-char.
Alain Colcer
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#52 - 2013-02-04 18:23:23 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
I assume we all just have to live with the fact that all empires are lawful neutral.


Actually, i think the 4 main empires are mostly Lawful neutral.

Add the pirate factions are Neutral evil

nobody is actually "good" nor a parangon of ethical behavior.
Mund Richard
#53 - 2013-02-04 21:42:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Mund Richard
Alain Colcer wrote:
Actually, i think the 4 main empires are mostly Lawful neutral.
Add the pirate factions are Neutral evil
nobody is actually "good" nor a parangon of ethical behavior.

Why would they be? Roll

Well, the Sisters try (to pretend?Roll).

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
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