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How do you kill the Venture?
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Sir Diablos
Requiem Knowledge
#101 - 2012-12-28 01:28:22 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Why so meny hate here? you want more people in loe sec? you got it, dont kill the new visitors!

No hate, it's just that the point of having more people in low-sec is to kill them.


Breaks my heart to see such simple and short sighted thought processes. This, my friends, is why losec is so dead.

I sometimes have to wonder when the harshness of space was replaced with the soft foamy feel of a theme park.
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2012-12-28 02:01:58 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
I like that miners in lowsec are running gatecamps. This is exactly what many have been trying to realize for YEARS.

Think about it. Miners with the testicular fortitude to cross a lowsec gate, brave a camp, and SUCCEED... all so they can chew some rocks in an open PvP area. (without making too much in profits for the effort) Isn't this exactly what we've all wanted?

It's not a stationary AFK hulk or mack in highsec. It's someone going up against your gatecamp and SURVIVING because they have the tools to do so with a reasonable chance. There are counters to catch these slippery things, but you have to plan for it. This is a hallmark of excellent balancing.



Problem is it won't last. I pointed that out to someone on gate camping a while back.

Their point was "It's not worth it to stop them all" about people getting past camps. Not that they can't, just that it isn't currently worth the effort - which begged the question when would it be worth the effort? When "too many" are getting past - which is subjective.

Once that "worth the effort" threshold is reached, the fleet boosted, sebo packing HIC's and such will show up and that will end traffic again. It's a temporary thing until folks figure out how to stop them but once those types of camps become "the normal" ones, even fewer ships will get past the camps, meaning less traffic once the slaughter is over.

It'll be nice for a time and that's what should be looked at. More targets temporarily.
Aldebaran Aubaris
Free-lances
#103 - 2013-01-22 11:23:00 UTC
The only way to profit when it comes to Ventures is to provide them special harvesting rights for 'protection'.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#104 - 2013-01-22 12:09:53 UTC
sebo sniper nano hac

warp land insta lock, insta booom

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#105 - 2013-01-22 12:29:42 UTC
Maire Gheren wrote:
The way to get people to come and stay in low sec so you can kill them repeatedly is by having them able to not die when they come to lowsec most of the time. They come in once and get podded they never come back; if they don't get podded till the fourth time, and they almost got away that time, and they'll keep coming forever and get blown up many times.


Yes, the only thing more addictive than winning is almost winning. ;)

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Silindra Hanaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2013-01-22 13:17:07 UTC
Heh, about week 2 of my adventures through space I got the idea to try going into low with a Venture and it was alot of fun.

Finally a mining ship that can actually get through your stupid gate camping! Amazing!

It is still unefficient as hell to mine with, at low skill, so its not like business is booming out in low sec because of these things. I still see only 6 people in low sec local chat, or 0. So yeah ... still dead ... once you get past that initial stupid gate camp.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#107 - 2013-01-22 14:35:01 UTC
Mocam wrote:
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Their point was "It's not worth it to stop them all" about people getting past camps. Not that they can't, just that it isn't currently worth the effort - which begged the question when would it be worth the effort? When "too many" are getting past...

Well, the greater the traffic, the more that are going to get caught, presuming the % of fail-fits and idjiits remains as constant as it has over the years. Without a substantial increase in Lo- and Nul-sec operators, they're going to have their hands full just catching those.

With an increased number of kills, they're going to have their plates just as full as they want them to be, without ever having to increase their efforts. So I don't see there being any real incentive to raise teh bar.

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TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2013-01-22 14:36:25 UTC
Smartbombing battleship on gate
Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#109 - 2013-01-22 14:38:34 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Why so meny hate here? you want more people in low sec? you got it, dont kill the new visitors! and now some of you cry because they enter low sec and use cloak...



Well said, CCP gave the whiners what they wanted and yet they whine more. I know what they want, they want people just to line up to get one shotted for hours on end. Ain't gonna happen buddy.
Jim Roebuck
State War Academy
Caldari State
#110 - 2013-01-22 14:41:27 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Ovv Topik wrote:
These things are all over low now!

Nippy little bugg3rs.

What’s your preferred technique for swatting them at gates and catching them in belts before they do one?


You don't kill the Ventures

The Ventures kill you!



In Soviet EVE...

Although I have a seen a fleet of Ventures actually make a gang in low.

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Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#111 - 2013-01-22 15:12:10 UTC
citadel torps
everything dies when you violence them with citadel torps

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KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#112 - 2013-01-22 15:13:44 UTC

I'm starting to sense a stealth Venture Manufacturer thread. I'm sure sales are getting a bit of a bump with this thread.

Stealth Marketing +1

Lol

KB

Dum Spiro Spero
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#113 - 2013-01-22 15:35:31 UTC
Elite PVP smartbombing battleships, because ... well, no need explanation.


Lol

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bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#114 - 2013-01-22 15:41:36 UTC
Why would you want to kill a venture? They are soo cute!!!
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2013-01-22 16:03:49 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
You people.

This ship isn't a miner.

Oh, it looks like a miner, and it looks like a bee, and it can eat roids and suck gas like a SUV.....

But it's really a T1 interceptor.

That's right.

I said it.

And I got 2 of them, and I named them Hank and Dean.........

Twisted


I'm with this guy. It's an interceptor with a drone bay and a built in WCS.

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Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#116 - 2013-01-22 16:13:36 UTC
How to kill a Venture?
This has eluded The Monarch for some time now. His sons die all the freakin time but Dr Venture endures.

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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#117 - 2013-01-22 16:22:30 UTC
Subdolus Venator wrote:
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Stealth Bombers!?

But will that work? Bombing frigates seems to be rather pointless and ineffective unless you've got several bombers coordinated.


Especially difficult as you can't use bombs in low Blink
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#118 - 2013-01-22 16:23:24 UTC
KaarBaak wrote:

I'm starting to sense a stealth Venture Manufacturer thread. I'm sure sales are getting a bit of a bump with this thread.

Stealth Marketing +1

Lol

KB


Darn it all - I haven't got any on the market atm, they're all in my hangar Sad
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#119 - 2013-01-22 17:04:56 UTC
Ruskarn Andedare wrote:
Subdolus Venator wrote:
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Stealth Bombers!?

But will that work? Bombing frigates seems to be rather pointless and ineffective unless you've got several bombers coordinated.


Especially difficult as you can't use bombs in low Blink

Sorry - I was thinking 'Nul.' I spend more time there than I do in Low - Low is mostly only a corridor to Nul for me.

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Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2013-01-22 17:11:40 UTC
KaarBaak wrote:

I'm starting to sense a stealth Venture Manufacturer thread. I'm sure sales are getting a bit of a bump with this thread.

Stealth Marketing +1

Lol

KB

Or may be a stealth venture pilot thread, double checking his fitBlink

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