Market Discussions

I should have clarified things better.

Lets take a Gurista Forsaken Hub, which currently drops 27m worth of bounties.

I would halve the cash bounties on the rats so it drops 12m isk worth of bounties, and have the Dreadnought at the end always spawn, and always drop a Tier X Officers Personal Effects, which can be traded at a Concord station for Y Loyalty Points.

Rarely, it will drop ammo, a crystal implant, or whatever else, so we dont get more of those things coming into the game than currently.

Essentially, the idea is to replace *cash* rewards, with *stuff* rewards.

(a) you typically get a faction rat "commander", spawn at the end of an anom. You will typically get an "overseer" at the end of the escalation. You won't get an "officer".
(b) LP is a currency, people will sit on it till they need it in cash, just like they sit on isk.
(c) anomolies, escalation and exploration are all part of a skinnerbox reward system. Pulling it apart just turns into mission running, and if I wanted missioney-space-accountant-grind, I'd run missions.
(d) I have no idea how far I would have to travel with physical stuff like a tag or an annoyingly large box to find a DED or a CONCORD station for handing in basic rewards but for many people that would suck. IMO whole point to owning space is that at least 1 thing there is rewarding for the average pilot. that just sounds like more annoying null logistics.
(e) at 3 or 4 people per system logged on, and 50+ people logged into highsec mission hubs, I can't imagine that lowsec and null anoms are the greater part of bounties.
(f) if you reduce the supply of isk you'll make the isk a lot more valuable and more people will try fetch it.

Hi there.

This might interest you. Please take note of the date, November 29, 2011.

Eve can never have enough tear faucets

Charters come from FW, they're not NPC sold.

Won't be, sorry.

And they cost no ISK when purchased from any LP stores. So they have no ISK sinking effect.

Yeah, same charters I was thinking of? I tiredposted and forgot that they're in most all LP stores, not just FW. Still, no isk cost to buy them, so no sink, as Ruby pointed out.

To candy's question: if they cost more LP, they'd just rise in price until they reached a new isk/LP where they were worth selling. It wouldn't really have any major effect on other items like implants.

Now, if they added 500 or 1000 ISK/charter to the cost, we might be getting somewhere.

Making the offer 100k ISK + 500 LP would add 1000 ISK to their cost. (50% for Caldari in Jita)

Every HS POS needs one every hour, so each HS POS would sink... 672k ISK/month. That's not so impressive, actually. And increasing the ISK sink to something significant (10m/month, say) would quickly render it virtually indistinguishable from an NPC sold good, since the LP cost becomes inconsequential.

From the look of it (eyballing the market chart with a scientific WAG), about 100k caldari charters are sold in Jita every day. Assuming none of them are sold twice, and the same volumes occur on the other 5 racial charters, that 1k isk/unit ISK cost would amonut to 500m ISK/day or 15b a month.

Raising the sink/POS to 10m/month (adding 15k ISK/unit) would increase that total sink to 7.5b/day or 225b a month, which is starting to get to something noticeable on the grand stage, I think.

And the LP store offer would look like: 1.5m ISK + 500 LP gets 100 Charters. Which actually might not be bad. It breaks wildly from the 1000 ISK per LP trend of LP stores, but I don't think I care about that.

(Of course, if CCP even hints at doing this before it goes live, the new Isk sink will not actually sink anything for years.)

Whilst im all for making T2 BPO's identical in build cost to generating the same product from invention (including the invention costs) Ie add the ingredients required to invent to the BPO bill of materials.
Your proposal falls down at this point:

*12 Shiney Casings - (New NPC good Value appropriate (Say 13,000 isk), to cause no spike in Price)

Why would CCP who have been working hard to remove as many NPC items as possible to create a Player driven market suddenly decide to introduce an NPC item for no reason whats so ever. T2 BPO production costs can be increased with out the need to add a new NPC item.

Upon reading the DEV blog on bounties I realized that they had not mentioned a 1 time ISK sink: The retirement of the old bounties. I wonder if that was in the trillions.

A new sink that we have no idea of how much it takes out of the economy was the research agent 10k ISK datacore charges and the FW lp store datacores which now take out 50k per core but over the summer where often only taking out 25k & 12.5k each

I hope to soon see a DEV blog on sinks & faucets and not only get a partial view of a undetailed graph like we often saw at fanfest last year.