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Paid name Change and Corp history removal?

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Certo Morte
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#301 - 2013-01-19 10:42:02 UTC
The problem with a corp history wipe is you'd have to also do something like delete all previous loss-mails, because those have the history.

I'm fully supportive of it, as long as there IS a way to access the characters previous name and history.
Kral Erdogan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#302 - 2013-01-19 14:42:10 UTC
The only way this could work is if, in addition to a "Previously known as..." tab, characters are given (and sorry if this has been mentioned):

A Unique Number I.D.: This I.D. would be next to a character's name and would be randomly generated. This number would NEVER change and would be a valid tool for character search. This way, you can add someone's I.D. so that, even if they change their name, you'll always know who they are.

As for employment history, no. Stand by who you joined and if you did it as a joke that's your own fault.
Altered Ego
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#303 - 2013-01-22 06:00:09 UTC
Bump ... I still want a new name.
Goran Konjich
Krompany
#304 - 2013-01-22 06:46:33 UTC
Altered Ego wrote:
Bump ... I still want a new name.


Your name is great .... but back ontopic > c'mon CCP give us this ASAP.

Price 2xPLEX (possible only every 4 years) (i went up from 1xPLEX and 3 years P)

I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE.
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
#305 - 2013-01-22 08:08:13 UTC
I think the concept of buying and selling characters is complete BS, it should be outlawed. It irks me to know people are buying their way into the game. Name changes and employment history wipes are also a negative thing simply because what you do in the game is who you are.. forever and I like that. If your a D-bag scammer, that reputation should haunt you forever with that character.

There are too many "free passes" already in this game.

The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub. 
rofflesausage
State War Academy
Caldari State
#306 - 2013-01-22 10:27:29 UTC
Kryss Darkdust wrote:
I think the concept of buying and selling characters is complete BS, it should be outlawed. It irks me to know people are buying their way into the game.


Thing is, it's going to happen even if it wasn't CCP sanctioned. So it makes more sense to have the system in place so people can do it legitimately and CCP can take a cut.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#307 - 2013-01-22 10:33:08 UTC
No No No No Nooooooooooooooo fuckin Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !

if you want a new name create a new char, if you want to buy a char then off you go and do so, but to introduce it into the game as a feature, last time ladies, get real, you are who you make yourself, this is EVE !

i bet you same fucks whine about not getting enough isk,pvp,pve,mining,exploration, wh and so on, but never undock.

away and find something contructive to do instead of feeding this stupid idea.
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#308 - 2013-01-22 10:36:55 UTC
Also, this is another way for CCP to generate income. So in the end for those players who decide to change there name, they are benefiting future eve development.

Personally I like the idea of charging a cost of 3 or 4 PLEX for a full name and corp history removal, also I think the character should suffer a 10% SP penalty due to the mental scarring effects of a complete identification change. That would obviously discourage highly skilled players but be not too much of a barrier to younger players.

Personally I think changing your identity like this is just the same as using alts and buying new characters so I don't see the issue, I think those who have an issue then it is possibly a knee jerk reaction to change.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#309 - 2013-01-22 10:41:29 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
*stuff*

Oh, I see your point completely.

It's hard to distinguish where the line would be, and on a personal level I wouldn't support being able to erase or modify a character's corporation history at all. Your history of employment in EVE should always be your character's legacy, and you should on that basis pick and choose whom you work for carefully.

There's some good points being brought forward in this thread Cool

Perhaps put the full name change history into the API of the toon. Pretty much every every corp worth noticing requires some form of API for applications, and even corps that require a very limited API could easily include this.

And while it could be gamed by people 'selling' toons to their own alts, changing the name afterwards and applying to corps as a 'new' player, the recruitment officers could still see this through the API and decide not to believe the players story.
W3370Pi4
State War Academy
Caldari State
#310 - 2013-01-22 10:45:48 UTC
The eve online motto is your actions have consequences now you deal with the consequences of your actions.
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#311 - 2013-01-22 10:54:28 UTC
W3370Pi4 wrote:
The eve online motto is your actions have consequences now you deal with the consequences of your actions.


Or you can create an alt or buy a new character from the character bazaar.
W3370Pi4
State War Academy
Caldari State
#312 - 2013-01-22 11:09:23 UTC
Yes but it requires more effort than if CCP had it setup as a service
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#313 - 2013-01-22 11:11:53 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
W3370Pi4 wrote:
The eve online motto is your actions have consequences now you deal with the consequences of your actions.


Or you can create an alt or buy a new character from the character bazaar.


create a new one,, nobody gives a ****,, buy a char from the bazaar,, guess what, that char has a corp history which can be traced leading upto the char being sold on the bazaar, name change,, NO, corp history removal, NO.


now away and undock and actualy play the game.
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
#314 - 2013-01-22 11:27:44 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
W3370Pi4 wrote:
The eve online motto is your actions have consequences now you deal with the consequences of your actions.


Or you can create an alt or buy a new character from the character bazaar.


Bingo.. Its hypocracy with work arounds. I love Eve and I live with its flaws, but it does have them and among the top beefs I have is this sort of hypocracy we get with various mechanics and workarounds. Throw away alts, buying your way into characters, the whole PLEX system that puts people with money into Titans... All of it is just a big workaround actually playing the game and earning what you have.

I do agree with rofflesausage in that, this whole character purchasing thing WILL happen, it will either be done under the radar or legitimatily but no one in the gaming industry has ever managed to control it, so I think if we are going to have it, it should be made legitimate.. But for gods sake don't make it a third party business. It can be discourage even if sanctioned and one of the ways its discouraged is that you don't know the reputation of the character your buying nore can you control his name, which has the exact effect we want.. makes people think twice about doing it.

The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub. 
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#315 - 2013-01-22 12:17:55 UTC
I don't see the problem in essence in paying to have an identity change. This is a science fictional universe set in the far future, so are you telling me the possibility to cover your identity would not exist?

Yes it should have costs, and those costs should be heavy, particuarly in the case of older more skilled players wanting to do this. But we already having all kinds of spying, theft, subterfuge, the creation of spy alts and buying blank characters from the bazaar. This is simply another method to allow players more freedom as would be the case in a real eve universe.
Nightshade Mary
Darkwater Innovations
#316 - 2013-01-22 15:46:55 UTC
I'd be all for it if the option to wipe both corp history and change the character name was available only upon sale of the character. The corp history could show an entry that shows "Records sealed by Concord" or something like that.

But only if something like what follows is implemented as well.

Background check agents. They work just like the locator agents that we currently have except they dig up the previous name(s) and corp history. The older the character is, the more expensive it gets to get the information.

Everybody happy, they buyer gets the name he or she likes plus a semi-clean slate and the prospecitive corp leader can do a background check, provided he spends the ISK on it.
Zangorus
Live Adult Entertainment
Federal Krab Office
#317 - 2013-01-22 16:36:59 UTC
Nightshade Mary wrote:
I'd be all for it if the option to wipe both corp history and change the character name was available only upon sale of the character. The corp history could show an entry that shows "Records sealed by Concord" or something like that.

But only if something like what follows is implemented as well.

Background check agents. They work just like the locator agents that we currently have except they dig up the previous name(s) and corp history. The older the character is, the more expensive it gets to get the information.

Everybody happy, they buyer gets the name he or she likes plus a semi-clean slate and the prospecitive corp leader can do a background check, provided he spends the ISK on it.

You said what I was thinking but better :)
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Bolsak
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#318 - 2013-01-22 16:42:30 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



If CCP offers the ability to sell pilots to new people, then the new person should also have some function of wiping the slate clean from the original owner’s transgressions. I fully support name change and corp history wipe. Maybe add something to the corp history that specifies the pilot changing hands.

And no, I never sold or purchased a toon.
The F Word
Doomheim
#319 - 2013-01-22 17:55:33 UTC
Simple solution, when you biomass a character their SP become free SP for any other characters on the account.

Have it cost some trivial amount, and train characters 3x as fast.

There's really no point in not having this at this point. Or better yet, just sell SP packs in the NeX, 4500AUR per 10m SP. New Eden has become a complacent comfortable place, bring back the paranoia, the big events, the stuff it was built on.
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#320 - 2013-01-22 18:01:18 UTC
Just pointing out that the last two posters in this thread were named:

Bolsack and The F word.

Name Changes are needed!

Now with 100% less Troll.