Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The introduction of Black Ops was good because it gave a subcapital reason to train for jump skills. We need more things like that and less intermediary support skills. I still haven't finished training the last round of skills. :(

-Liang

Initial reaction:

AAR - gives a 68% bounus over current T2, but you're limited to 1 per ship. Plus it uses more cap boosters, when the only (large) active armor tanks are the hyperion and the myrmidon. Which both currently run triple rep setups, as that is the only way that active armor is actually worth it - otherwise it just has too little rep amount. Remove the limitation of 1 per ship and this might be useful. That would allow a triple rep myrm/hyperion to do the same with only needing 2 reps. As it is, still need 3 reps to be actually useful. Still doesn't have enough rep power for just one rep to be worthwhile, except maybe on frigates (which I don't fly).

The new armor rig - 20% bonus to rep amount and 30% cycle time when overheated. This causes a T2 armor rep to rep for 960 in 10.5s base. Compare this to an aux. nano pump and overheating. 1012 armor repped over 12.75s. Similar for nanobot accelerator (except cycle time instead of amount). This comes out to a 15% bonus over the standard, but only when overheated. Possibly useful, will withhold judgment.

Change to armor rig penalty. Meh - you are a smidge faster, but use more PG. But active armor repping still too bad to be worthwhile in most cases.

Reduction in mass from plates. Plated ships still fat and slow. Net effect - everyone will still try to fit a 1600 on everything that can, but they will now be marginally more agile, but still not enough to actually catch shield tanked ships.

Overall - Not impressed with changes. Come back to us when you have some changes that may actually be useful to show us.

-Arazel

Are resist bonused boats OP when they are remote repped?

Many of people in here still don't understand what is tha main concept of these new stuffs and changes.

It's not a boost for armor reps in your favourite ratting ships.. (u get the resistance shifting stuff for it)
It's not a boost afterall.. it's introducing the burst tanking style into armor tank.

With these new stuff you can boost your tank for a short while, on the cost of long time (perma) tanking. It's your choice when fitting, you made a long time permanen tank, or a burst tank, which tank harder when u need it.. ofcourse in PVE it's useless like ASB.

I only can repeat myself, it's made for PVP(!!!!).. Who don't do PVP can't understand what the hell is this, and why it will be awesome.


oh, and the cry about new skill: if u compare shield skills with armor skills, u can see there are more skill points needed for max your shield skills.. maybe until now.

(btw I'm a 100M+sp so i like new skill.. almost out of subcap skillz ^^)

"- Having the rep hit at the start instead of the end of the cycle"
if u want to make armor reps like shield reps.. maybe you should simple learn shield stuffz ^^

I think until now you only learned armor tank, and u wanted it's moar powerfull.. maybe your skills doesn't lvl5 yet.. and don't want to learn shield.. because it's time.. yes, I play since 6 years.. i had all lvl5 at each tanks.. and uses armor and shield tank ships too.. You (and everyone who crys standard armor rep boost) only want a win button instead of prove your skillz (in your character sheet and playing skillz too)

I usually fit active armor tank ships with min 2 reps.. so more like an AAR + a standard rep fit ..
Don't be fool.. becouse only 1 can fit by AAR u still can fit standard armor reps.

(edit: also, armor rep cyrcle longer, so u can burst tank longer with AAR than ASB)

Ancillary armor repairer is BORING! It's just a copy-paste of ASB with some tweaks, you should be ashemed, Fozzie.
ASB is relevant, because it combines SB and cap-booster, which both take med slots. On contrary, this new module is an abomination.
It devaluates hi-meta reps.
It also breaks metagame. Armor reps are never supposed to be burst-tanking.
Also, you substitute armor tanking with cargohold tanking, which makes me sick.
Not that I'm really a role-player, but that is a kind of tanking I'll never use, for ideological reasons.

I know it's too late, but check out how it really could be:
Nanite injector pump
Takes low slot, max 1 per ship.
Should be loaded with nanites, consumes them when cycling. Also consumes capacitor.
Each cycle gives additional +3% bonus to armor repairer amount. These bonuses are cumulative, from cycle to cycle.
Cycle time = 10 sec. Accumulated bunus is reduced by 3% every 20 seconds.
(number are for the sake of example only)

This module adapts philosophy of reactive armor hardener (which is generally fine imo), but makes it usable only for active tanking. You can adjust the amount of nanites consumed (or nano-paste, or whatnot), so it would not be profitable for PVE.

But FFS, why do you publish details when everything is decided?!

Philsophically the nano paste fuel makes more sense.
That stuff is pretty expensive though,no? It would take upless space though.

Navy cap booster 400 ~80k
Nanite rapair paste ~20k

Both are cheap, and nanite takes much less space. And it makes sense. Using batteries to boost repair amount makes no sense. ASB work without batteries but take crapload of cap to operate and that is a logical mechanic. This is silly.

Off-topic, but why didn't you just limit the ASB to 1 per ship instead of nerfing it?