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Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-01-22 00:23:50 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
Neville Smit wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
Its time to nerf NPCs. They have more hitpoints than necessary.

CCP nerfed NPC hit points a long time ago.

They're called Level 1 and Level 2 missions.

Enjoy.



Your post is incomplete. Give us the devblog or it didn't happen.


He was telling you that, if you want NPCs with less EHP, you're free to fly Level 1 and Level 2 missions. You will encounter NPCs with very little EHP.

I am not just talking about missions though. Read the post it says "NPCs".
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-01-22 00:27:30 UTC
Katie Frost wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
Its time to nerf NPCs. They have more hitpoints than necessary: http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/npc_ships.php?supergroup=5&return_to=
The devs should reduce the hit points of NPCs by about 15% After all the NPCs are smarter now.
So why so many hit points?


Yep, let's make the main EvE ISK fountain even more profitable.

Oh, nerf the bounties/payouts accordingly you say...? Why don't you just blitz low level missions or find easy low bounty rats so no complicated and unnecessary adjustments to the game are required.

Again I am not talking about missions I am talking about all NPCs. They have too many EHPs.
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2013-01-22 00:30:13 UTC
What? PVE is too hard? In MY Eve?

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2013-01-22 00:31:42 UTC
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
TL;DR


FIXED
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-01-22 00:32:08 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:


Faster PVE = more time to PVP


So you should have just made the thread about wanting to have easier rats to grind faster to make more isk.

Oh wait..
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#46 - 2013-01-22 00:36:37 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
Neville Smit wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
Its time to nerf NPCs. They have more hitpoints than necessary.

CCP nerfed NPC hit points a long time ago.

They're called Level 1 and Level 2 missions.

Enjoy.



Your post is incomplete. Give us the devblog or it didn't happen.


He was telling you that, if you want NPCs with less EHP, you're free to fly Level 1 and Level 2 missions. You will encounter NPCs with very little EHP.

I am not just talking about missions though. Read the post it says "NPCs".


If you want NPCs with less EHP, rat in Lower class anoms/Plex in lower class Plexes/rat in Higher sec band belts/Incursion in lower end incursion systems/kill sleepers in lower class WHs.

There, I think I covered everything.

And you still haven't bothered answering why you want NPC EHP lowered.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2013-01-22 00:48:08 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:


Faster PVE = more time to PVP


So you should have just made the thread about wanting to have easier rats to grind faster to make more isk.

Oh wait..


Not really. I was asked what would be a benefit of less EHP. I gave a possible one to many players. Besides I think you have a unhealthy concern about players who engage in PVE. I would expect that possible benefit would pique your interest because you like PVP.... Don't you?

BTW this is not a debate about rat difficulty or "isk grining", just a statement with data about how NPCs have way too many EHP.
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2013-01-22 00:52:18 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:


If you want NPCs with less EHP, rat in Lower class anoms/Plex in lower class Plexes/rat in Higher sec band belts/Incursion in lower end incursion systems/kill sleepers in lower class WHs.

There, I think I covered everything.

And you still haven't bothered answering why you want NPC EHP lowered.


Because I feel from reading the link that I posted that NPCs have too many EHPs. I'm sure if you did the calculation on NPC EHP instead of speculating my motives, you might agree with me that NPCs have oo many EHPs. Or maybe not, you are free to chime in with your opinion.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#49 - 2013-01-22 00:56:36 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


If you want NPCs with less EHP, rat in Lower class anoms/Plex in lower class Plexes/rat in Higher sec band belts/Incursion in lower end incursion systems/kill sleepers in lower class WHs.

There, I think I covered everything.

And you still haven't bothered answering why you want NPC EHP lowered.


Because I feel from reading the link that I posted that NPCs have too many EHPs. I'm sure if you did the calculation on NPC EHP instead of speculating my motives, you might agree with me that NPCs have oo many EHPs. Or maybe not, you are free to chime in with your opinion.


"Why" = "To what purpose" in this context.

NPCs could have any number for their amount of EHP and it wouldn't matter. What matters is the relationship that those numbers have with other numbers in the game.

To what purpose do you want NPC EHP lowered? Do you feel that they take too long to kill for their value? If so, why do you think that? How do you think the game would benefit from lowering NPC EHP?

Saying "NPC EHP should be lowered because NPC EHP is to high" is roughly the definition of circular reasoning.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ginger Barbarella
#50 - 2013-01-22 01:00:13 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
Its time to nerf NPCs. They have more hitpoints than necessary: http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/npc_ships.php?supergroup=5&return_to=
The devs should reduce the hit points of NPCs by about 15% After all the NPCs are smarter now.
So why so many hit points?


I agree. Nerf their armor and shield HPs. And let loose the AI. Make them OPPONENTS, and not just targets to shoot at.

Sound fair?

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2013-01-22 01:08:37 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
Its time to nerf NPCs. They have more hitpoints than necessary: http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/npc_ships.php?supergroup=5&return_to=
The devs should reduce the hit points of NPCs by about 15% After all the NPCs are smarter now.
So why so many hit points?


I agree. Nerf their armor and shield HPs. And let loose the AI. Make them OPPONENTS, and not just targets to shoot at.

Sound fair?

Thank you for you constructive post.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2013-01-22 02:14:37 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
Its time to nerf NPCs. They have more hitpoints than necessary: http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/npc_ships.php?supergroup=5&return_to=
The devs should reduce the hit points of NPCs by about 15% After all the NPCs are smarter now.
So why so many hit points?



Just remove npc's entirely and put a "add isk to wallet" button on the UI. It would add 1 isk to your wallet every time you pressed the button, except on critical strikes, which would put 10 isk in, instead.

This should prove equally mind-numbing as the current grinds to make isk. Big smile

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Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2013-01-22 03:40:29 UTC
Prophecy base EHP ~ 17k Imperial Templar Justicar EHP ~ 34k
Prophecy PVE tanked ~ 19k

Without taking pilot's skill into account it is clear that NPCs have more tank than needed a 15-20% reduction in NPC EHP is not asking too much really.
terzho
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-01-22 03:45:53 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:


Without taking pilot's skill into account it is clear that NPCs have more tank than needed


What do you mean by more tank then needed? What are you basing the amount of tank needed on?
Gorn Arming
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#55 - 2013-01-22 03:46:43 UTC
I bet if you say it one more time it will become true.
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2013-01-22 03:50:18 UTC
terzho wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:


Without taking pilot's skill into account it is clear that NPCs have more tank than needed


What do you mean by more tank then needed? What are you basing the amount of tank needed on?


To fulfill it's NPC purpose.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#57 - 2013-01-22 03:52:10 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
Prophecy base EHP ~ 17k Imperial Templar Justicar EHP ~ 34k
Prophecy PVE tanked ~ 19k

Without taking pilot's skill into account it is clear that NPCs have more tank than needed a 15-20% reduction in NPC EHP is not asking too much really.



Prophecy Properly Fit EHP: 70k
Prophecy Bait Fit EHP: 152k

From that, by your reasoning, it's clear that NPCs need their EHP buffed, right?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#58 - 2013-01-22 03:54:13 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
terzho wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:


Without taking pilot's skill into account it is clear that NPCs have more tank than needed


What do you mean by more tank then needed? What are you basing the amount of tank needed on?


To fulfill it's NPC purpose.


Which is?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
terzho
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-01-22 03:55:00 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
terzho wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:


Without taking pilot's skill into account it is clear that NPCs have more tank than needed


What do you mean by more tank then needed? What are you basing the amount of tank needed on?


To fulfill it's NPC purpose.


And what is that? So far you haven't really given an actual reason as to why NPC tank should be nerfed apart from "They have too much" without indicating too much for what and "So people can do it faster". So basically you're complaining that NPC's are too hard and you want them to be easier.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#60 - 2013-01-22 03:56:43 UTC
NPC's seem tough, but then you add SP and hopefully get better. Then they seem easy, that is until they get harder. But then you add SP, and hopefully get better....