Intergalactic Summit

Mr. Khan

Allow me to tell you the tale of two men:

One was born into slavery. He did nothing but serve others his entire life. One day he is set free. What is his reaction? He does absolutely nothing. It's as if the entire universe opened to him as now he has a whole different reality and has to find a new purpose in his life. Many years later he will realize that there's no quest for purpose that there is no mystery. His person, his very individual is the key, it was always there all along. Do you believe this man would return to servitude, to that warm cage? No he would not.

A warm cage is still a cage. Once you step outside it and embrace the outside world, you'll preffer to freeze outside then ask to return inside.

The other man:

This man was born free. One day he is abducted and spends several years in servitude. He becomes a shadow of his former self, he lost his personality and individuality. He's no longer a person, he's an object. One day he is set free again. Do you think this man forgot how precious freedom is? He did not. It was the only thing that remained alive inside of him.

Needless to say both men will never look back. Because both men were given a choice and understood how important that choice was. If the Amarr Empire gave a choice for all slaves to be free if they so desired their entire society would collapse.

So in the end, the Amarr Empire's salvation is ultimately ignorance.

Although I'm not judging your capability to be humane. Don't you think you are exagerating just a little? I'm a captain of a ship and and although I treat my crew with much respect I have had to show authority and make decisions despite the feelings of certain individuals.

You are just making yourself look silly.

To me there is a distinction between Mistreating and enforcing discipline, in that with discipline appropriate punishment is necessary , however I do not enact violence or lesser treatment toward the Matari crew simply because I own them and would see them as a 'lesser species' if these freedom fighters where to be believed.

I run my ship just like every other ship, if my amarrian or Matari breach rule then appropriate punishment will be dealt based on the severity of the breach regardless of what their ethnicity is

I hope I have made myself clear, It would pain me to have people misinterpret my word

Very well then, point taken.

I can't vilify something that is already vile Mr. Louvaki. You clearly also don't understand the concepts of individualism and liberty and on the other hand while you have mingled with enslavers I have been mingling with the enslaved. There's two sides to this coin Mr. Louvaki but only one of them is scarred and stained with blood, the heavier side stays beneath being crushed against the ground..

Certainly it's not yours.

So, on the one hand, we have several independently verified accounts of disagreeable behaviour and incompetence in the Minmatar Republic. Which detract from the actual debate. Being Minmatar sadly doesn't stop people or populations from being bigoted, incompetent or stupid. Those qualities kind of come with the territory of being human.

On the other we have some anecdotes about how lovely various representatives of the Empire are.

Which means either

a) The Amarr Empire is a genuine utopia.

or

b) Someone works pretty hard to ensure that a broader picture the Empire doesn't reach the capsuleer audience.

Since it wouldn't make much sense to rebel against living in paradise, I think we can disregard a)

On the one hand then, we have independent reports of disagreeable behaviour and incompetence in the Minmatar Republic. This kind of implies the existence of a free-ish media providing some kind of no doubt imperfect oversight.

On the other, we have no such independent reports of what happens in the Empire. I wonder what is hidden behind what passes for their noble vanguard telling us how gently and humanely they treat their chattels.

I'm sure these are neither new insights, nor especially pertinent to the matter at hand, but since the other side have been running off on the tangent of slave treatment, I think that invites consideration of other not quite salient tangents.

Well, I've now got access to 1.3 million anecdotes of what life in the Empire is like. I think 1.3 million anecdotes outweigh the half-dozen or so here. Since my sharing them would of course invite accusations of bias, coercion and probably brainwashing, purloined Sansha implants, whacky baccy and cheese bribery, there is little point in doing so. That said, maybe we could establish that providing an independent voice for these 1.3 million people, not to mention slaves still bound in the Empire might at least allow for something superficially resembling a scientifically grounded debate.

Not that it will happen of course. No doubt asking slaves to tell the world about the Empire would lead them off the path to salvation. Best keep them on it with the whips and the transcranial microcontrollers.

In the meantime, the facts remain that if I see an Amarr partisan in space, I'll shoot them (unless their ship is better than mine of course, in which case I'll hide or run as appropriate). If there is another opportunity to spring some slaves across the border, I'll take that as well. Then I'll have even more anecdotes to weigh against those you holders are keen to spout

I understand them just fine Mrs. Mekhana.

You see, my mother was a slave in the Khanid Kingdom and my father a State diplomat. I spent the majority of my youth among the 'slavers' and the enslaved in the Khanid Kingdom, so please ma'am, try to avoid this moral high ground when speaking to someone who spent their young life amongst the very people you claim are vile and those you claim to champion. I've lived it. Ask the Ni-Kunni and the Tash-Murkons if slavery was bad for their people or any of the other former slave race who now enjoy status in the Empire. Now if you were to ask me if I believe in slavery and I would say 'no'. I don't own slaves would I never aspire to, but that doesn't prevent me from understanding the clusters premier power that employees them and seeing the very tangible benefits that eventually emerged from it. I know many slaves who are far better off than some of the poor factory workers in the State.

You might also consider the blood bought by the Minmatar Elders next time you claim that only one side is 'stained with blood'. Just as much blood has been spilled in the name of 'liberty' as has been in the name of 'tyranny'.

Mr. Louvaki,

If you clearly believe that then you clearly haven't paid much attention to Amarr history but I won't hold you to this much lack of knowledge just that you just wish to conveniently forget it at this moment.

You can tell me about people that have embraced slavery and I won't try deny it. There's all kinds of freaks of this universe. However my prespective takes human nature in mind and human nature always wins. Your prespective takes mythological religious beliefs.

When the dam cracks, the water will flow. It will leak at first but eventually the water will burst out and will crush and flood everything in it's way.

The rebellion is a good example.

Very well then I shall respect your opinion Mr Louvaki but that won't stop me from expressing myself I'm afraid.

I have one question however if slavery is such a great thing why is that you don't support it? That was very suprising.

I don't think you read the story very well. All the man knows about home and family are back in his homeworld where he was taken away from against his will.