Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is correct.

Not convinced about the plates - I'm pretty sure the reason everyone only fits 400s to frigates and destroyers and only 1600s to anything above that has little to do with the mass penalties, its purely because they are the largest plates that can be made to fit. Tweaking the mass penalties doesn't really affect that. Adjusting the fitting requirements and HP increases they grant might.

Does this change by extention mean that passive tanking shield rigs are getting velosity penalty? becouse one way to balance is to boost one thing, and other is nerf its counterpart. I think that this small boost wont get armor tanking anywhere near shield-tanking unless they get some good old nefbat treatment.

On the megarep subject - well thats what you should have done to asb. Now its too late and making armor-tanking module that needs both capbooster AND another rep to be able to compete with 1 asb, when you can fit 2 or even 3 of them( asb that is) is bullshit. Once again i understand desire only to boost stuff, but that would only get you so far.

I disagree. More diversity is always welcome rather than changing everything into the same old ****.

I have always liked the 200mm plate + small repper layout on the rifter, but it have never worked on larger ships and with the buffs to other ships that layout is currently underwhelming. Maybe its time for small plate + repper layout to return again and this time be useful to larger ships too. Would love to see how well a cruiser with 800mm plate + medium AAR will perform. Seems like it will have enough burst tank to survive fights and the AAR allows it to gain advantage over longer fights and rep between battles.

So your screwing over active tanking armor ships by limiting there PG for weaponry: Or are you changing the PG requirements of reppers?

I see no changes to buffer fits, are we gonna still be fat and slow when we fit trimarks/resists, why aren't you changing buffer?

This over complicated AAR does not entice me to active armor tank anything with a small cargohold., what calculations have you done in reference to increased cap booster cargo space needed?

FREAKING YES! I took 10% off the total PG amount by accident >.<

What about the difference in fitting between extenders and plates?

how come you avoid talking about scaleability of active armor rep bonus and how its useless in fleet warfare?

its an easy fix just make the skill affect external incomming armor RR!

presto now the bonus is usefull for anything larger then 5 ships!

And then the balance of what is functional and what isn't either waffles from shields to armor, or everything becomes equally useless, which is a pretty screwed up definition of 'balance'.

So yes your proposition will probably run Minmatar into the ground in one way, and then do the same to Caldari in another way because then they'll all have the speed of plated battleships, when plated battleships are now moving faster than them given that Caldari base speeds are already lower than everything else by quite a bit.

Actually on topic:

This is an interesting update to plates. The problem however is that I'm still not convinced that people will use plates that aren't 400 or 1600s on anything. (There's also the fact that there's no 'shield equivalent' to the 1600 plate, the 'Large shield extender' is closest to the 800, IIRC.)

And also super overpowered.