Player Features and Ideas Discussion

AAR looks very cool for PVP.

You mentioned not wanting to unbalance PVE armor tanking. I would argue that when looking at the premier PVE hulls it's either decidedly weaker or the ships themselves are unbalanced. Especially when comparing similar class hulls instead of drake vs dominix. This becomes even more true when looking at cap stability and damage output that are very important to min/maxing for PVE.

Do you feel that armor tanking in PVE is currently balanced vs shield tanking, or are you hoping to do some follow up to balance armor tanking more generally at some point?

I have to say, the speed > powergrid penalty swap thing does appear likely to blow a crap ton of armor fits off the table. Bye bye to anything but the tiniest guns on any armor fit at all.

Powergrid is a penalty typically applied to weapon fitting, not defense. This is going to be a double kick in the nuts for already grid tight fits with large plates or reppers. Shield rigs basically look "free" after this, since they don't hose your fit, but "only" hit you with a sig radius penalty, which is not that much of a penalty in many cases.

But that's how it already is.

Ohh sweet, but 2 things:

Medium and large armor reppers already takes alot PG, with the new rigs that increase their PG it will just be even harder to fit ships for dualrepping.

What about speed rigs? The armor penalty will still prevent armor ships from using them. What I got in mind is active tanked gallente ships, the penalty will just reduce their buffer too much.


The AAR is a very brilliant idea. Both different and still very useful. +1

Increased PG issues from active tanking a Hyperion AND increased cargo space needed for cap boosters to run the AAR, no thanks.

The armor upgrades skill is a welcome skill to improve the mobility of armor fleets.

My Brutix just got a boner.

Maybe that's the reason you should just take the other sizes out of the game and buff the ones people actually use instead . . .

People prefer these sizes because when you're fitting for buffer you want the most buffer you can fit, and these are the "biggest" you can get on in the relevant ship classes. People put MSEs on frigates and LSEs on everything else, leaving SSEs to have not that much use really, once your fitting skills are up. You might as well buff SSEs for no apparent reason just because nobody uses them either.

The problem here is that the "biggest" buffer modules we have are fittable on less than the biggest classes of ships, so you have pretty wide range where nothing else makes sense to use. Of course that's going to make them look "overused."

the new skill will be mandatory for anyone flying an armor doctrine definitely.

most of the changes seem to be pointing towards making armor fit ceptors with an AAR on be comparable to their shield equivalents.

most armor fleet fits arent concerned with active tanking so most of the rig changes wont affect them.
But these changes are more for small scale armor pvp, and redress the dichotomy of small scale ASB tank pvp vs the equivalent armor forms.

would be interesting to see what can be done with the celestis now! can see it being very popular in small scale burst-armor tanking pvp.

I'd like to know the reasoning to limit the AAR to one per ship while not limiting ASB in the same way, "it's different" is not a reason in and of itself and there needs to be a balancing logic behind it. Not saying I'd want to have more AAR per ship but rather that I'd like ASB to be limited to 1.

Also fitting those AAR in combination with those new rigs is going to be hilariously difficult for some ships to a point where they simply can't do it.