Warfare & Tactics

Oh, this is so unfair. First, a big, bad 0.0 alliance has invaded our space, and now we have to deal with all of these Amarr farmers coming over to our space. The horror. FW is a broken mess. I am going to start 10 topics on the forums saying the same thing!

I can start more. Trust me. I can start way more than 10.

If you really think that the Amarr's ability to work better together is much different now than it was two months ago, you're sorely mistaken. The major groups in the Amarr have gotten along with and worked together as well as, if not better than any of the other 3 militias. It's easy to say the Amarr are disorganized and don't work together when you're losing the warzone and getting blobbed in Kamela while theres a 20 man gang on the other side of the warzone pushing the map, but that isn't really an indicator of disorganization, nor is the lack of public fleets. If a 30 man blob can't find a fight, then why should they do an open militia fleet and be able to find even fewer fights? The groups within Amarr that are capable of pulling weight are organized when it matters for us to be organized. A month ago, we lost the Aset pocket and people cried that it was becuase we were disorganized, then we kept pushing that pocket and as Amarr space fell lots of people panicked saying we didn't care about militia and would lose because we were disorganized and uninterested in defending our home space. We ended up just ignoring those people and kept pushing Aset, ignoring the Kamela area completely, and now that we have more systems than the Minmatar we're suddenly way more organized? Give me a break.

In fact, I would be willing to bet that most people aren't aware of the real factors or reasons why their militias are winning or losing at any given time and the groups and actions that actually contribute in meaningful ways to the warzone. Most people look at Dal and assume that the reason it fell was because of the militia pulling together and winning fights/plexes in a 4 hr stretch during EU TZ the day of the capture, while they ignore or are ignorant of Skunkworks/TMFED/I.Law's 2-week tug-of-war getting it past 80% twice, the 12-hr long I.Law and Fweddit plexing fleet the night before, or the fact we wanted to take the system enough in our strong timezones that it would have fallen eventually.

If anything, the recent Amarr surge should be reason enough to get to work on limiting the extent the generic farmer has on occupancy. Sincerely doubt the majority of plexing is done by mains or even primary alts .. it has quite simply been way too fast.

CCP keeps saying they will tweak system when flaws are made apparent .. well CCP .. how is single anaemic rat, the death of which stops all future spawns, in plexes working out so far? Tier system is slightly better than the FarmWar™ version, even if skewed enormously in the 'winners' favour .. keep it as is but do your damnedest to nuke farming .. or limit it to a token effect and keep farming, whichever lets you get your drink on, on schedule.

Was actually working pretty well in the short period where we had the old spawns with must-kill rule in effect .. tags were flowing like never before (exact opposite now) and farming was so involved that it was only done by a handful.

Approximate that situation, add a couple of rats per plex, have variable and much shorter time in which to kill them to prevent future spawns (ex. Novice/Small: 2 minutes, Medium:3-4 minutes. Large: 5 minutes) .. should be enough to make frig plexing in all but large a thing of the past .. wasn't it part of the plex changes that the intention was to make people use appropriate ships or gang up?

PS: Before some idiot says "OMG, Amarr is ahead and now want to nerf plexing to hold their space!" .. reset, give all space to minnies, wait until it turns .. makes no difference. The plexing game will be better for it, markets will stabilize, tags will be available and we get more pew because people can't use 'insert cheapest available frig with 50dps here' with stabs and cloak any more.

1. Snowball has been proven false.
2. You're still doing it wrong.

Fair enough. And you're nitpicking.


If you don't want a system to flip back and forth then maybe you should live there. Why do you think you are entitled to control it if you don't live there?

CCP cannot come up with a pvp-only mechanic for sovereignty warfare and the reason is clear. You can't pvp if one side chooses to not engage. That said:

The occupancy system revolves around farmers (minimal force projection) in 1) backwater systems, where 2) the other side doesn't want to defend/live. And that, tbh, is fine. Not a big deal. Eve's version of Guerilla warfare. You have to have "boots on the ground", "sustained presence", etc... to run off the farmers and control a system.

Why people think they ought to be able to live in Orvolle or Onnamon and be able to win FW at the same time is confusing to me. Why people think they ought to be able to live in 3-4 low sec systems, never undock, and win FW is equally confusing.

If your side can't be bothered with taking and defending at least 21% of the systems (to get to baseline Tier 2 which we all know easily supports a FW lifestyle), then that's a "you" problem. If the other side decides to not engage, then that's a "they" problem. CCP can't solve "you" and "they" problems.

What you are describing is the effect of lack of timezone coverage. Nothing CCP can do about that. But you can - team up with off-TZ corp/alliance, or be willing to move when your system gets taken.

You are also telling us that you don't want to move your assets when you lose, or that you don't want to be based in a less active location. That's fine too. Not a CCP problem.

In the end Dark-Rising captured Enaluri, not farmers. Carry on.

It's not nearly so bad now. Systems are pretty much stable with the exception of players trying to gain occupancy. If potential station lockouts are the reason, then nothing can be done.