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PVE Caldari BS

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Esra Udan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-01-19 01:38:27 UTC
So I was building a couple of setups to PVE LV 4s in. Here they both are I am skill wise the same all support skills lv 3 at least. Missile fit first.

[Raven, Mission I]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I

X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
'Copasetic' Particle Field Acceleration
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
100MN Afterburner II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Garde I x2
Hobgoblin I x5

The Raven, 36.5K EHP, 238 recharge rate, 320 DPS out to 86KM because of targeting range. 289m/s, cap last a little over 11m 9s. I haven't been able to figure out what else to put in my other two Highs other then salvager and tractor beam. For drones hobgoblins for frigs and such and Garde or other preferred sentry. Though of getting rid of the Particle Field Accelerater or AB for a TP.

Gun ship time.

[Rokh, Mission I]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200
Large Micro Jump Drive
Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script

425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L

Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Hybrid Locus Coordinator I


Warden I x2

Here is the "ROKH" 43K EHP 439 DPS out to 62KM with 47KM falloff. 107m/s 103KM targeting range, cap stable. This I like no need for much tank and the wardens reach just as far as I can. The new MJD seems like it can make the ROKH a possible competitor to PVE.

Well I would like to see what everyone else thinks. If there are any idea's to improve them I would love to hear them.
Kery Nysell
#2 - 2013-01-19 02:11:26 UTC
Your Rokh fit looks fine, but you'll really want an XL-shield booster in there ... yes, the MJD will allow you to dictate range and snipe, BUT Guristas 'rats will jam you up to 130 kms (suffered from this myself), and the same Guristas spew Cruises/Torps surprisingly far ...

Against most other factions, should be fine ...

Your Raven fit, on the other hand ... egads.

Trying to make an XL-shield booster fit cap stable is a very, very, very bad idea.

What you want is the high damage, high range of cruise missiles with just enough "burst tank" to weather the initial DPS ... AND you want to apply your damage to everything (well, almost), and for that you *need* Rigor Rigs ...

Or you'll be spending tens of volleys to kill a single cruiser.

Bad thing.

Switch the rigs for Rigors (or 2 Rigors + 1 Flare), put a Target Painter in the slot of the Cap Booster, and please, please get your support skills to 5 first.

I've said it lots of time already since I've been back in the game : BATTLESHIPS AND LEVEL 4 MISSIONS ARE NOT NOOB-FRIENDLY !

Tech 2 launchers with Precision and Fury cruise missiles make A LOT of difference ... same thing for the guns ...

Don't forget to insure, check eve-survival, stay aligned to a warp-out point ... and pray Twisted

...

Esra Udan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-01-19 04:39:55 UTC
Haha loved that last part. Alright thanks for the input.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-01-19 04:42:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Caleidascope
Esra Udan wrote:
So I was building a couple of setups to PVE LV 4s in. Here they both are I am skill wise the same all support skills lv 3 at least. Missile fit first.

[Raven, Mission I]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I

X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
'Copasetic' Particle Field Acceleration
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
100MN Afterburner II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Garde I x2
Hobgoblin I x5

The Raven, 36.5K EHP, 238 recharge rate, 320 DPS out to 86KM because of targeting range. 289m/s, cap last a little over 11m 9s. I haven't been able to figure out what else to put in my other two Highs other then salvager and tractor beam. For drones hobgoblins for frigs and such and Garde or other preferred sentry. Though of getting rid of the Particle Field Accelerater or AB for a TP.


Fit Large Micro Jump Drive. Replace resists with scripted signal boosters. bcs and co-processor in low. Rigor rigs. The tractor and salvager are useless, finish mission and go get another mission, you will make more isk.

Forgot to add. Fit drone links in high slots instead of tractor and salvager.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Esra Udan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-01-19 04:56:34 UTC
Hmm so I can't fit two sensor boosters without getting rid of the TP so 136KM and TP or 209KM
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-01-19 05:02:41 UTC
Esra Udan wrote:
Hmm so I can't fit two sensor boosters without getting rid of the TP so 136KM and TP or 209KM

You could probably be ok with one sensor booster.

My example. I got cruise missile range of 253km. Two scripted sensor boosters give me 228km targeting range. One scripted sensor booster gives me 150km.

If your cruise missiles don't do 150km, then use just one sensor booster.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Yabba Addict
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-01-19 05:27:15 UTC
Fit your raven something like this

[Raven, The Great Below Amarr]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Hornet II x5
Vespa II x5


thermal rig can be replaced with whatever
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#8 - 2013-01-19 05:51:36 UTC
Your Raven needs some work, but the things that are going to lower your income is drop that single salvager and put 2 tractors and use 5 salvage drones instead of those garde so you can salvage when you clear the room, and put hobs and warriors for the rest of the drones, use a Damage control in low and mids needs rework badly.
Esra Udan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-01-19 17:30:35 UTC
Okay thank you all for your inputs. My Raven is much better now Big smile. Got two different fit types so will try them both out when my skills get there. Only now need to figure out what decreases the CPU usage of the missile launchers, Not weapon upgrades though. Have that maxed. Something else that EFT says I could fit 4 BCS and a DC at all lv 5s. You guys were great help.
Kery Nysell
#10 - 2013-01-19 18:27:20 UTC
Esra Udan wrote:
Okay thank you all for your inputs. My Raven is much better now Big smile. Got two different fit types so will try them both out when my skills get there. Only now need to figure out what decreases the CPU usage of the missile launchers, Not weapon upgrades though. Have that maxed. Something else that EFT says I could fit 4 BCS and a DC at all lv 5s. You guys were great help.


It is indeed Weapons Upgrades ... Advanced Weapons Upgrades decreases the PH needs.

Electronics (duh) and Riging skills will help too, especially Launcher Riging to reduce the penalty, because Flare and Rigors increase the CPU reqs of launchers.

...

Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-01-19 20:47:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
Yabba Addict wrote:
Fit your raven something like this

[Raven, The Great Below Amarr]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Hornet II x5
Vespa II x5


thermal rig can be replaced with whatever


confirming good fit. if you get into CPU trouble, you can also replace the damage control with a CPU upgrade.

edit: i would use hobgoblins and hammerheads instead of the caldari ones.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Luc Chastot
#12 - 2013-01-20 20:46:12 UTC
Honestly, get a Rattlesnake. It's basically a Navy Domi for missile users.

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Cage Man
Comms Black
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2013-01-20 23:02:25 UTC
Luc Chastot wrote:
Honestly, get a Rattlesnake. It's basically a Navy Domi for missile users.


Missiles on a Rattlesnake do not do a huge amount of damage... it is a drone boat.
Luc Chastot
#14 - 2013-01-21 01:15:34 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
Luc Chastot wrote:
Honestly, get a Rattlesnake. It's basically a Navy Domi for missile users.


Missiles on a Rattlesnake do not do a huge amount of damage... it is a drone boat.


Please, read my post again.

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-01-21 15:12:42 UTC
Try to work up to the Scorpion Navy Issue.

With the new AI, the Scorpion Navy Issue became evn better, Rattlesnake is ages training away. Especialy when you'r still training support skills, an SNI will let you cruise trough lvl 4 missions, where the CNR and Raven let you work hard,

Secondly, get a Noctis for salvaging, the speed the Noctis loots and strips wrecks will make up the time you need to fly arround to get your drones and tractor beam in range.



Cage Man
Comms Black
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2013-01-21 18:26:17 UTC
Luc Chastot wrote:
Cage Man wrote:
Luc Chastot wrote:
Honestly, get a Rattlesnake. It's basically a Navy Domi for missile users.


Missiles on a Rattlesnake do not do a huge amount of damage... it is a drone boat.


Please, read my post again.


I did.. have you used a rattlesnake?? really no point even putting launchers on it if you want to get the best out of the ship as it is a drone boat. navy domi's turrets can at least pop small stuff on the way in as it gets a damage bonus.. rattler gets a velocity bonus. You will find T2 sentries will pop most big ships before your missiles even get there.
Only thing that makes me use the rattler over the domi is it can omnitank nicely and for guristas space you can eccm the hell out of it without compromising performance. and of course I don't feel like I have lost performance by fitting RR to the highs to keep the drones alive.
Most importantly it look better than the space potatoe. But as this is eve.. each to his own.. whatever works for you.
XxRTEKxX
256th Shadow Wing
Phantom-Recon
#17 - 2013-01-22 19:05:05 UTC
I am really liking the idea of mjd on the Rokh. I built me a Rokh last night to go mission with a friend who lives over 22j from my usual mission home. I built mine with an xlasb. Since it has high resists, i dont have much need for tank. I did the same with my mission Raven. ASB is so much fun in missions.

Tonight, im thinking of dropping down to a lg-asb and fitting a mjd. I love the idea of jumping out of the engagement to get range and reduce incoming dps.

I used to go all out and pimp fit all my ships to blitz through missions, but then they stopped being fun. Missioning became more about isk/hr. I no longer care about rushing. I like taking my time and enjoying each mission. MJD to me sounds very BSG. Typhoon reminds me of the Galactica because of its hull structure. I cant wait for them to make the phoon a full missile boat. Im gonna have fun with that ship.
Richard Stallmanu Stallmania
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-01-23 05:15:12 UTC
no bs is useful in pve but a macherial so just get macherial problem solved.

your sp in caldari bs was wasted sorry to tell you this
Kery Nysell
#19 - 2013-01-23 10:07:35 UTC
Richard Stallmanu Stallmania wrote:
no bs is useful in pve but a macherial so just get macherial problem solved.

your sp in caldari bs was wasted sorry to tell you this


Do you play the same game as the rest of us ?

I'll agree that the Machariel is stupidly good at what it does, but to say that ALL the other Battleships are 'useless' is a bit much ...

Also, you seem to forget the HUGE skillpoint investment needed to make the Machariel shine ... a T1/T2 fitted Raven can go Level 4 missions well, albeit a little more slowly, for a fraction of the SPs needed to fly the Machariel well ...

...

Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-01-23 10:29:29 UTC
Richard Stallmanu Stallmania wrote:
no bs is useful in pve but a macherial so just get macherial problem solved.

your sp in caldari bs was wasted sorry to tell you this

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