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Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#21 - 2013-01-21 12:22:20 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
What is the plural of noctis? Noctises? Noctii?


Noctis could be a completely fictional name, that is made up by a developer who knows nothing about latin, much less about its third declination. In that case a general plural would be "noctises".

If who invented them wanted to use latin as radix, then Noctis is not a noun, it's a genitive of the name "nox" (night) and means "of the night".

A plural of the noun "nox" is "noctes".

I don't agree (yeah a surprise) with Tippia suggesting "noctium" because latins would not just transpose a genitive into its plural, they'd use the proper noun made into plural. If we really want to "force-noun-plural" a genitive then we may as well consider it a developer fantasy made name and call them Noctises.


Edit: that's the problem with Wikipedia and dictionaries, they are tools to be used with background information on the topics they cover yet most just copy and paste.

^this for the angle you guys are playing, but it's a proper noun. -es.

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Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#22 - 2013-01-21 12:28:49 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
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Gotch Urarse
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#23 - 2013-01-21 12:33:05 UTC
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#24 - 2013-01-21 12:55:13 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
you could try fancy false-Latin endings such as Noctii or Noctium.
…except that -ium isn't a false-Lating ending. It's the correct ending if you just make noctis plural. Now -ii, on the other hand, that's pretty much always false.

The only question is if you want the plural to be [of-the-night]s or if you want it to be [somethings] of the night.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#25 - 2013-01-21 13:15:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
Tippia wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
you could try fancy false-Latin endings such as Noctii or Noctium.
…except that -ium isn't a false-Lating ending. It's the correct ending if you just make noctis plural. Now -ii, on the other hand, that's pretty much always false.

The only question is if you want the plural to be [of-the-night]s or if you want it to be [somethings] of the night.


How do you pluralise post-partum?

How do you pluralise the right to freedom of political expression?

How do you pluralise Jus Primae Noctis?

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#26 - 2013-01-21 13:37:02 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:

How do you pluralise post-partum?



You don't. That is a state of being, not a noun.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#27 - 2013-01-21 13:48:00 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
How do you pluralise post-partum?
See above.

Quote:
How do you pluralise the right to freedom of political expression?
That depends which part you have more of — the rights, the different kinds of freedom, or the expressions.

Quote:
How do you pluralise Jus Primae Noctis?
That depends if you want more rights or more nights.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#28 - 2013-01-21 13:56:08 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


I don't agree (yeah a surprise) with Tippia suggesting "noctium" because latins would not just transpose a genitive into its plural, they'd use the proper noun made into plural. If we really want to "force-noun-plural" a genitive then we may as well consider it a developer fantasy made name and call them Noctises.




Honestly that makes no sense.

If using the genitive one cannot just haphazardly switch to the proper noun form and use the plural of that and have it make grammatical sense at all. Unless you know this somehow because you were 'there' with the ancients.


I was not there with the ancients but I studied latin and live in Italy so I kind of have an idea about how we think in a given situation (which is often very odd and convoluted thinking but still...).

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#29 - 2013-01-21 14:07:58 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


I was not there with the ancients but I studied latin and live in Italy so I kind of have an idea about how we think in a given situation (which is often very odd and convoluted thinking but still...).



Odd and convoluted in Italy ? Since when ? Lol

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Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#30 - 2013-01-21 14:08:32 UTC
DELETED lol

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Gorn Arming
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-01-21 15:08:40 UTC
Latin words do not use Latin pluralizations in English if the word isn't something that would ever have been pluralized in Latin.

E.g. the correct plural of "virus" is "viruses", not "virii" or whatever.

The plural of "Noctis" is therefore "Noctises" in English.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2013-01-21 16:30:38 UTC
i belive it should be spelt noctis'

and pronounced noctis

im sure if u said nocti people would also know what u mean
Kane Alvo
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-01-21 17:24:45 UTC
I can't believe I just wasted 10 minutes of my life reading this thread.

Roll

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#34 - 2013-01-21 17:28:34 UTC
Kane Alvo wrote:
I can't believe I just wasted 10 minutes of my life reading this thread.

Roll


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Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#35 - 2013-01-21 20:37:06 UTC
Kane Alvo wrote:
I can't believe I just wasted 10 minutes of my life reading this thread.

Roll


You didn't waste any of that time. You have learnt a valuable lesson.

Also, I can't believe it took this thread for me to realise why the Noctis is named so. I mean the hull it is based on is ORE's Primae.....
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#36 - 2013-01-21 20:44:08 UTC
Single: Noctis
Plural: Nocticles

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The Troll Bridge
#37 - 2013-01-21 20:44:54 UTC
Kane Alvo wrote:
I can't believe I just wasted 10 minutes of my life reading this thread.

Roll


Because if you hadnt wasted time reading this, you most likely would have found the cure for cancer or solved something for X? Yeah, you had better things to do.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#38 - 2013-01-21 20:47:23 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
How do you pluralise post-partum?
See above.

Quote:
How do you pluralise the right to freedom of political expression?
That depends which part you have more of — the rights, the different kinds of freedom, or the expressions.

Quote:
How do you pluralise Jus Primae Noctis?
That depends if you want more rights or more nights.


Prhaps none of them are pluralised because they describe non-countable concepts?

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

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killorbekilled TBE
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-01-21 20:49:15 UTC
Noctiseseses

:)
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2013-01-21 21:16:07 UTC
But the Noctis isn't a noctis. It's a ship named 'Noctis'.

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