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While betrayal might be a desired outcome on the part of CCP it should NOT be achieved by ****** UI but by hard won spy effort.

Yeah I get that point, but from really looking into this case I really feel that it's not covered here. if CCP want a corp of players doing science/manufacturing to lure noobies into the game, engage and involve them so those noobies are more likely to make friends, have fun and start paying for the game then this mechanic needs to change.

I would love to be in the position where the game mechanics would allow for my corporation to build a titan and at the same time, allow some 1month old player to ME research his frigate BPO.

This one single change in mechanics can be summerised in a single statement:

Allow a player with the "Rent Factory Slot" or "Rent Laboratory Slot" to install those respective jobs into corporation facilities, without giving them access to deliver/cancel all jobs currently in production by the corporation

It's clear from the limited number of people replying to this post and no massive outcry that most people don't see the pure significance of the current functionality, how many people may have tried eve and quit based on this single mechanic alone.

Simple question:

Are there ANY "Industrial Corporations" in eve, the real answer is no, there aren't any at all. The cloest thing you could find to an industrialist corporation will be a corp made up of half a dozen players who trust eachother due to RL connections, or long eve histories, these guys do T2 invention, build jump freighter, capital ships, whatever. Their other 50 members are miners, maybe doe a little PI and sell it to the corp

Imagine this change in place, you could have serious industrialist corps, imagine a corp with 500 blueprints locked down, labs and factories in system, a single member of the corp can come along, drop the minerals in a hanger, select to build 10 megathrons, deliver and collect his ships and sell them, or have them get sold through the corp and the corp pays them for their effort.

You could have some seriously active and fun corps and if players are kept that engaged, they are more likely to keep playing for longer.

p.s. this response isn't purely directed at Ronan, more to others viewing the thread and thinking about the same thing

I feel that instead of wasting anymore time improving the inventory UI, the corporation management UI needs the next overhaul.

Supporting this reform and any other thoughts like it. In addition I'd like to see POS roles grantable by individual POS.

Please consider improving the UI for management CCP! Better management = less headaches.

+1 as an obviously needed update, along with the POS system.

However, realize that to go in and deal with that very old code is extremely difficult and time consuming, hence it gets put on the back burner.

Actually, it's laziness/lack of resources that were instead put into dust/wod...

Leave the old code as is as inaccessible orphan segments, it's a common practice in mmos that contributes to ballooning of client size, an acceptable side effect. Reimburse obsolete assets. Rewrite new POS mechanics from the ground up. I never liked the pudding with chunks floating in it anyway, it doesn't need to be fixed, it needs to be gone.

Screw Infiltration, I want to have a realistic field of options for providing roles to my members.

CCP already mentioned custom corp hangars, we just need corporations to be revamped altogether.

I'm tired of providing someone a role and they only need to utilize a small portion of it. I don't enjoy losing billions of ISK thanks to a easy click-and-drag, that I knew could happen at any moment, when I only want that member to be making ammo. I should be able to see exactly what I want my member to be able to do, and have options to limit it. There is literately so many ways this could be done! Let me explain.

I'm sure a number of you are familiar with "Conditional Formatting" in spreadsheets: well something like that. You stick in "Starbase Fuel Technician", you have options to specify when and/or where the role will work. We could be talking Specific Towers, Systems, Constellations, Regions, Specific Security Status, Minimum/Maximum ISK levels, When a specific member is in that system.... so many things!

When it comes to corp roles, its trust everyone or trust no-one. Some are stupider than the rest. Some only pretend to know what they are doing.

Completely agree with you, there is a great deal that needs to be fixed :)

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+1 but only for "cancel" job - changing delivery isn't needed, only cancelling.

Delivery puts the item into a hangar, and there are already ways of securing hangars, so delivery opening it up to theft is fine.

Restricting delivery would just open up a different problem where someone starts a job with a corp BPO and then nobody can deliver it because they've disappeared, and then fixing that starts turning into bigger changes needed to allow directors or some new role to override it.

That's not needed; the smallest and sufficient fix is:


Given that change then everything else can be managed with the existing corp roles, wallet and hangar mechanics, which are clunky but at least get you several gradations of trust.

As it is, there's no way in at all for thievery and drama for most corps that run big industry jobs, since there's no way to give new members a small amount of trust so they can work their way up to the big stuff, as any trust means access to cancelling everything.

As it is we're in the ridiculous situation where we can't even give our newer members access to build frigates using corp bpos since that opens up cancelling everything; we can't let them earn trust on little things, so it ends up taking a very long time to get to know them before we can give out what should be a basic access level.

I was fortunate in that when I started, I joined a group of folks I played a different game with and therefore had already earned their trust, I (my main) would not be the industrialist I am today if not for early access to build stuff.

i mean it's not really that hard to make it be
CEO & Director = can cancel anything
Regular corp member = can cancel their own jobs only.

is it?


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