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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#141 - 2013-01-20 20:01:26 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
If it was a notable high sec figure making this suggestion, you'd be patting them on the back right now.

Honestly, no, I wouldn't. I still don't think that it is good to come with unoriginal ideas.

I don't like the CQ and what WiS is/was trying to introduce. WiS was meant to make PvP more personal than before by moving fights into the stations. Sounds awesome, right? However, I dislike Walking in Stations, because it really is just another way of saying Not Flying Spaceships and it doesn't add to the game play, when it takes some of the EVE players out of their spaceships.

What is being discussed here goes pretty much into the exact opposite direction of WiS, to give docked players new tools and to make docking up more fun, and I find it equally meaningless.

You keep quoting me and responding to the OP, stop it.


I agee with the OP in the extent that there should be meaningful ways for industrialists to use the ISK they make to have an impact in the game. As a dedicated industrialist who has craptons of ISK, and doesn't pew pew, I wouldn't mind having something to put my ISK towards that is meaningful.

My only interest in this thread has been the overal idea that industrialist should be able to have more impact than just 0.01 ISK wars.


Any direct points about the OP should be directed at the OP. If you're going to quote me please provide a responce based on what I wrote, not what someone else wrote.

If it helps, somoene was kind enough to compile much of the things I've mentioned in a couple of threads and present them in Features and Ideas.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=195937&find=unread

While there you can stop by my thread about CCP making 2013 about industry, in particular the high sec player run industrial corp.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=195938&find=unread


I know, ew, it's the features and ideas forums.
No one goes there.
DARKIFRIT
RAZNESU ssi
#142 - 2013-01-20 20:06:26 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
*Discussion for actual implementation is now taking place on Features and Ideas. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=195821&find=unread


Bears need more options for directly destroying the Assets of their enemies.

PvPers make assets and then spend it on new ships which they destroy in combat. They interact with one another and create content.

Care bears accumulate massive fortunes with their mining and industrial play. They have few options to directly destroy the assets of their enemies with their playstyle.

The bears should be given options for the direct destruction of assets. For whatever reason they do not participate in PvP combat. But in a sandbox there can be other devices that will hurt your enemies. Gameplay that the empire builders will enjoy that directly destroys the ISK of their enemies.

By creating more options for attack and interaction Eve will become a more vibrant and living place.

*Skip to pg 4 post 70. The first 3 pages got taken up by Hickory, Dickory, and Stark babbling on about some nonsense.


Simple if they don't want there moneys and stuffs they can give it to me =) Or the can pvp with there isk by crippling nullsec markets, or if they want to 'Destroy' there moneys there is I believe a 'trash it' button
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#143 - 2013-01-20 20:11:39 UTC
DARKIFRIT wrote:

Simple if they don't want there moneys and stuffs they can give it to me =) Or the can pvp with there isk by crippling nullsec markets, or if they want to 'Destroy' there moneys there is I believe a 'trash it' button

Its a rare thing for you to have an idea huh? That's OK, keep having them, and post em all up. Think about them, re-read them and edit them as you see fit. With practice and perseverance you will have more, and eventually you may actually have ideas that are well presented, on point, and note worthy.

FS o/
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#144 - 2013-01-20 20:26:22 UTC
I make stupid threads because I don't understand economics.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#145 - 2013-01-20 20:28:50 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
I make stupid threads because I don't understand economics.

I haven't seen your threads, but I agree with the idea that you make stupid posts because you don't understand threads. o/
Whitehound
#146 - 2013-01-20 20:32:52 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
If it was a notable high sec figure making this suggestion, you'd be patting them on the back right now.

Honestly, no, I wouldn't. I still don't think that it is good to come with unoriginal ideas.

I don't like the CQ and what WiS is/was trying to introduce. WiS was meant to make PvP more personal than before by moving fights into the stations. Sounds awesome, right? However, I dislike Walking in Stations, because it really is just another way of saying Not Flying Spaceships and it doesn't add to the game play, when it takes some of the EVE players out of their spaceships.

What is being discussed here goes pretty much into the exact opposite direction of WiS, to give docked players new tools and to make docking up more fun, and I find it equally meaningless.

You keep quoting me and responding to the OP, stop it.

I won't stop and I won't let you put accusations into this thread without me replying to them.

You accused me of being biased and I explained myself to you.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#147 - 2013-01-20 20:35:58 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

You keep quoting me and responding to the OP, stop it.

I won't stop...

That makes perfect sense. Shocked
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#148 - 2013-01-20 20:43:57 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
I know, ew, it's the features and ideas forums.
No one goes there.

Best place to let stupid ideas collapse and die.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#149 - 2013-01-20 20:52:57 UTC
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#150 - 2013-01-20 22:37:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Celly S
Corey Fumimasa wrote:


Care bears accumulate massive fortunes with their mining and industrial play.



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA where do you people come up with this moronic manure at????


Sorry, been a mining and industry "carebear" for years and don't have no "Massive fortune"

Don't get me wrong, there may be a few of them out there, but please don't blanket the rest of us hard working carebears the same as them because it's simply untrue.

I would note that I also don't run around with 4 or 5m isks in my wallet either hoping i can get lucky and get another ship fitted out to go blow someone up in either, but Massive fortunes?

sorry, but that's just TFF, ignorant and unrealistic to believe such drivel...




PS. posting in yet another "I hate carebears thread"

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#151 - 2013-01-20 22:49:52 UTC
Celly Smunt wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:


Care bears accumulate massive fortunes with their mining and industrial play.



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA where do you people come up with this moronic manure at????


Sorry, been a mining and industry "carebear" for years and don't have no "Massive fortune"

Don't get me wrong, there may be a few of them out there, but please don't blanket the rest of us hard working carebears the same as them because it's simply untrue.

I would note that I also don't run around with 4 or 5m isks in my wallet either hoping i can get lucky and get another ship fitted out to go blow someone up in either, but Massive fortunes?

sorry, but that's just TFF, ignorant and unrealistic to believe such drivel...




PS. posting in yet another "I hate carebears thread"


I don't hate bears or industrialists or even goons. The purpose of this thread is to advocate options for industrialists to attack aggressors aside from direct ship to ship combat. It would cost them isk to pursue these options but it would be interesting and it would create a bit more give and take between the different play styles.

Its funny, I have about the same # of PVP ers, and bears say that this is a hate thread against their play style =-)
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#152 - 2013-01-20 23:05:49 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Celly Smunt wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:


Care bears accumulate massive fortunes with their mining and industrial play.



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA where do you people come up with this moronic manure at????


Sorry, been a mining and industry "carebear" for years and don't have no "Massive fortune"

Don't get me wrong, there may be a few of them out there, but please don't blanket the rest of us hard working carebears the same as them because it's simply untrue.

I would note that I also don't run around with 4 or 5m isks in my wallet either hoping i can get lucky and get another ship fitted out to go blow someone up in either, but Massive fortunes?

sorry, but that's just TFF, ignorant and unrealistic to believe such drivel...




PS. posting in yet another "I hate carebears thread"


I don't hate bears or industrialists or even goons. The purpose of this thread is to advocate options for industrialists to attack aggressors aside from direct ship to ship combat. It would cost them isk to pursue these options but it would be interesting and it would create a bit more give and take between the different play styles.

Its funny, I have about the same # of PVP ers, and bears say that this is a hate thread against their play style =-)



I have no problem with people having different playstyles, my only issue with your post at all is the propagation of the falsehood that all carebears are quadrillionzillionmillionaires and they the should somehow be forced into parting ways with those gazzilions of isks...

which is honestly the first thing that came out of your post

you have your playstyle, i have mine(and with 7 accounts, not all of mine is carebear), others have theirs, if the billionaire carebears or billionaire nullbears want to keep their isks, I have absolutely no problem with that.

and honestly, it's not any of my concern what they do with "their" isks, just the same as it's not any of yours or anyone else's either.

with that said, If you really want to explore different types of gameplay that might drive conflict, that's fine, but more often than not if you pursue the line of those rich carebears need to lose their money, then how do expect people to take it?
the very first thing people are going to read is "I hate carebears" because that's what you've basically written my friend.

jmtc

o/
Celly

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#153 - 2013-01-20 23:18:58 UTC
Celly Smunt wrote:

I have no problem with people having different playstyles, my only issue with your post at all is the propagation of the falsehood that all carebears are quadrillionzillionmillionaires and they the should somehow be forced into parting ways with those gazzilions of isks...

which is honestly the first thing that came out of your post

you have your playstyle, i have mine(and with 7 accounts, not all of mine is carebear), others have theirs, if the billionaire carebears or billionaire nullbears want to keep their isks, I have absolutely no problem with that.

and honestly, it's not any of my concern what they do with "their" isks, just the same as it's not any of yours or anyone else's either.

with that said, If you really want to explore different types of gameplay that might drive conflict, that's fine, but more often than not if you pursue the line of those rich carebears need to lose their money, then how do expect people to take it?
the very first thing people are going to read is "I hate carebears" because that's what you've basically written my friend.

jmtc

o/
Celly


No one is saying that, not even the OP.

There are some industrialists who do not fail at being industrialists and have lots of isk. It would be nice to have conflict drivers that we could put that isk into.

When the best way to deal with a high sec wardec is to drop or abandon corp, because they have nothing to fight for, then the bounty system isn't a worthwhile conflict driver.

The bounty system is the only available, high sec conflict driver that people have to invest ISK into. It a little futile to put a bounty on a corporation that is just as likely to disband as they are to stay docked.

Some of us would like some conflict drivers given to high sec corporations so that they will have something to fight over; to encourage meaningful high sec warfare and provide viable reason to stay in your corp during a war.
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#154 - 2013-01-20 23:37:39 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

No one is saying that, not even the OP.


Sure he is.. LOL

"PvPers make assets and then spend it on new ships which they destroy in combat. They interact with one another and create content. "

this evidently is fine and dandy... then there's this

"Care bears accumulate massive fortunes with their mining and industrial play. They have few options to directly destroy the assets of their enemies with their playstyle."

evidently this is nowhere near as noble as the first example, and he further goes on to say (in a nutshell) we need some other way to force them to spend money on stuff we can blow up and force them to provide some content....


I don't have anything against finding new ways to drive conflict and/or content, I just wholeheartedly disagree with the presentation and the propagation of the "all carebears are ultra rich" fallacy, that's all.
o/

Celly

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#155 - 2013-01-20 23:42:35 UTC
Celly Smunt wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

No one is saying that, not even the OP.


Sure he is.. LOL

"PvPers make assets and then spend it on new ships which they destroy in combat. They interact with one another and create content. "

this evidently is fine and dandy... then there's this

"Care bears accumulate massive fortunes with their mining and industrial play. They have few options to directly destroy the assets of their enemies with their playstyle."

evidently this is nowhere near as noble as the first example, and he further goes on to say (in a nutshell) we need some other way to force them to spend money on stuff we can blow up and force them to provide some content....


I don't have anything against finding new ways to drive conflict and/or content, I just wholeheartedly disagree with the presentation and the propagation of the "all carebears are ultra rich" fallacy, that's all.
o/

Celly


Can you tell us what you do as an indi guy?

Are you mining?
Manufacturing? T1, T2, invention?

Are you a full time industrialist, or do you do it as a side activity?

Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#156 - 2013-01-20 23:59:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Celly Smunt wrote:
I don't have anything against finding new ways to drive conflict and/or content, I just wholeheartedly disagree with the presentation and the propagation of the "all carebears are ultra rich" fallacy, that's all.
o/

Celly


Thats OK, I'm not actually interested in the support of people who have trouble with basic comprehension. I always assume that the thousand guys who checked the thread but did not feel the need to post their misconceptions and personaly biased viewpoints in a crude and confrontational manner do a better job of...well everything.

o/
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#157 - 2013-01-21 00:11:37 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Celly Smunt wrote:
I don't have anything against finding new ways to drive conflict and/or content, I just wholeheartedly disagree with the presentation and the propagation of the "all carebears are ultra rich" fallacy, that's all.
o/

Celly


Thats OK, I'm not actually interested in the support of people who have trouble with basic comprehension. I always assume that the thousand guys who checked the thread but did not feel the need to post their misconceptions and personaly biased viewpoints in a crude and confrontational manner do a better job of...well everything.

o/



so when a valid point is made you resort to insults?

LMAO.. whatever dude...

see, I only disagreed with your presentation, I didn't resort to personal insults..
sad dude, really sad...

-100

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#158 - 2013-01-21 00:12:41 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Celly Smunt wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

No one is saying that, not even the OP.


Sure he is.. LOL

"PvPers make assets and then spend it on new ships which they destroy in combat. They interact with one another and create content. "

this evidently is fine and dandy... then there's this

"Care bears accumulate massive fortunes with their mining and industrial play. They have few options to directly destroy the assets of their enemies with their playstyle."

evidently this is nowhere near as noble as the first example, and he further goes on to say (in a nutshell) we need some other way to force them to spend money on stuff we can blow up and force them to provide some content....


I don't have anything against finding new ways to drive conflict and/or content, I just wholeheartedly disagree with the presentation and the propagation of the "all carebears are ultra rich" fallacy, that's all.
o/

Celly


Can you tell us what you do as an indi guy?

Are you mining?
Manufacturing? T1, T2, invention?

Are you a full time industrialist, or do you do it as a side activity?

'

Mining, industry, building, mission running.. basically all that high sec has to offer and some PvP on occasion.


Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#159 - 2013-01-21 00:29:51 UTC
Celly Smunt wrote:

so when a valid point is made you resort to insults?

LMAO.. whatever dude...

see, I only disagreed with your presentation, I didn't resort to personal insults..
sad dude, really sad...

-100

Oh I wasn't resorting to personal insults, those were just thrown in to indicate my disdane for your commentary. My statements stand without the insult.

If you want to make friends and be treated with respect you must give people the benefit of the doubt and treat them likewise.
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#160 - 2013-01-21 00:36:57 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Celly Smunt wrote:

so when a valid point is made you resort to insults?

LMAO.. whatever dude...

see, I only disagreed with your presentation, I didn't resort to personal insults..
sad dude, really sad...

-100

Oh I wasn't resorting to personal insults, those were just thrown in to indicate my disdane for your commentary. My statements stand without the insult.

If you want to make friends and be treated with respect you must give people the benefit of the doubt and treat them likewise.



You might want to re-read what you wrote, when you state that people (how did you put it?) lack basic comprehensive skills and continue with accusations of bias, and further imply that everyone else is better at everything, then you my friend are in fact resorting to insults( no matter how pretty you try to package it) and as I re-read the thread I see that i'm not the only one you chose to do that to.

But that's cool, I understand that you don't want any counter points to your thread and only really care about those who agree with your view .

"If you want to make friends and be treated with respect you must give people the benefit of the doubt and treat them likewise."

^^this too^^

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.