EVE General Discussion

apparently you failed to read the part where is said:

Personally, I think the concept of war decs (paying a bribe to CONCORD so you can kill other players in hi sec) doesn't really make sense from a logic/lore perspective anyway. And I see how it is often abused as a griefing or extortion tool. So, I would be fine with CCP ditching the mechanic altogether...

...provided they simultaneously shrunk Empire space, expanded low sec and npc null, and pushed most resources out of the "safe zone."

Then corps can go to war with each other all they want outside of the Empire in the no man's land, and you don't need a hokey declaration system to do it. Wars will become something that happens in the badlands. Empire can be a safe (almost - suicide ganking still an option) zone, but should be smaller in scope and much less profitable. Think "walled city." Empire might be the place where people build markets, warehouses, and factories, whereas the wild west is where all of the raw materials are obtained and the wealth is created.

Maybe the next expansion could be EVE Online: Collapse. All the Empire factions go broke, and they are forced to shrink their controlled territories. "We mined out every belt we had in Empire space, there are no rocks left, we're all out of money, and we can't keep paying all these Navy guys and CONCORD duties to patrol space. So we're pulling back from the fringe systems and just policing the core systems of each region. Good luck, pilots. You're on your own out there now."

Assuming what you say is true, all the corps you mentioned were crap and incapable of looking after their assets or training their new players to survive / fight. New players in hisec are perfectly safe in the starter corp.

What eve needs is an EVEN BIGGER warning when a player enters into a PLAYER CORP. Being in a player corp is not something you are just entitled to do. If more players were prepared to shift their weight and actually do something for their corp instead of sitting around running missions and complaining their faction battleships keep getting popped by "nasty griefers".

By being part of a PLAYER CORP you are saying :

"I am prepared to fight my own battles now, or my corp is prepared to protect me while i learn how. If i was not prepared to fight my own battles or did not have a corp prepared to protect me while i learn i would of course stay in the safety of an NPC corp"

So then when somebody decs you, you know all the players who leave are the ones who weren't worth having because they didn't understand the above easy principal.

It is not up to the game to change to make things easier on you or your corp because you do not understand the principal i have outlined. CCP have clearly spelled out for you that the NPC corps are for those who dont want to get wardecced. What i believe is happening here is everyone wants their own special little group name and logo but don't want any of the nasty combat that comes with it.

Don't start or join a PLAYER CORP unless you are prepared to deal with the consequences.

You didn't read my post and I'M kicking sand? I'd be more worried about how everyone else did read it and now you don't even understand why you look so silly.

I actually think you did read it

I read all your posts, that's how i know you havn't the slightest clue what you're talking about.

You said you were at war but the enemy didnt want to come out and fight unless they thought they could win...

SURPRISE SURPRISE...

fool.

Although I hate Nicky's posts in general, I have to say I agree with him on this point. War decs really do make new players quit. I have run two n00b corps myself, both times the same things has occurred. You build up a player-base and then a war dec comes in, and half the corp goes afk, alot of them leave, especially if you get a few war decs in a row.

Don't get me wrong, as a more experienced PvPer, I love the war decs. But the newer players just dont. And frankly that's understandable. Took me a good part of a year before I was any good at PvP, and I always felt the same way about war decs when I was new.

Don't misunderstand me, the proposed bidding war thing is a horrible idea.

Saying the corps were crap is just ridiculous though. If you are specifically looking to hire new players, then your achieving your target market if your players are terrible at PvP. Teaching new players to PvP is easy, but getting them to actually want to learn, is very very difficult indeed. And let's face it, wanting to PvP, is not a prerequisite for an industrial corp.

That above easy prinicple you like so much is never told to them. The newbs don't know that. If they're only two weeks old into the game, no one has told them that. Besides, you can't defend n00bs when your not online. The newb corp I ran had 5-6 competant PvPers, and that's it. If none of them were online, the entirety of the rest of the corp had no choice but to dock up, or lose ships.

The latest war dec macanic is without doubt killing a lot of young enthusiastic corps. Where the ceo and friends have worked their socks of to try and make a success of it, only resulting in it all going down the toilet for the fun of a few griefers. Not good.

I like the ops idea, it could very well work.
CCP don't seem to understand that there are many players that love the none pvp side of eve, as they attempt to force pvp on these people, even in what is to a certain point, suppose to be a safe haven.

People want to pvp, want to war, want to kill. Head out to low-sec, knock yourselves out.

Null isn't so much broken, as Null Alliance Sov holders have such control over there space that any threat is significantly decreased.

In my humble opinion there is no reason null sec should not be just as safe as high sec given a level of effort from the soverign alliance. If with a reasonable amount of effort and commitment an alliance cannot make a null sec system "almost" as safe as high sec then there is a game mechanic problem. Of course an enemy alliance should be able to apply the same amount of effort and commitment to remove the "safe".

I for one would love to see the removal of all developer created NPC control and give the power to the players.

Just a humble opinion.

One possible solution/additional feature about war declarations could be that if corporation declares war, then any war declarations against that corporation could get discount/be free for certain period of time, preferably months. The discount list could be shown somewhere, so that people would know that these corporations at least profess wanting to have a bit of war in their life.

I am sure this idea too has its drawbacks and unintentional consequences.

No thanks.

What do you consider large, medium, and small?
Would 1000 be medium? Is 500 small?

So a corporation with 25 members can fly around entire swaths of high sec with full CONCORD protection?


There's nothing wrong with the wardec mechanics.
You're given no reason to fight. If you have no reason to fight, you have no reason to grow. When you don't grow you don't have any incentive to stay in the corp when there's a wardec.

Disbanding a corporation is the easiest way to deal with a high sec wardec when you're a small corp.

You wouldn't tell your members to drop corp until the wardec is over if those members were losing something significant by doing so.