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Demolishar
United Aggression
#21 - 2013-01-19 12:32:22 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:

  1. Click in overview.
  2. Lock.
  3. Scram.
  4. Apply DPS.
  5. GF.
  6. Have a chat.


Don't do that to any Merlin pilots now...
Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#22 - 2013-01-19 12:51:27 UTC
Azitek wrote:
Yutte Harlamek wrote:
5. Search forums for posts by that player and his alts - this will find character trades.

Also for posts about that player and his alts. Not all publicity is good.


This is where we disagree sir

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#23 - 2013-01-19 16:11:17 UTC
Andski wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Nothing up front. Any char information is really NA as far as who the player actually is. So recruit anyone and everyone but keep them on limited access to any corp assets and out of the loop re any sensitive ops until you have an idea of who the player is. Dreddit requires 3 or 6 months participation on their forums iirc. That seems about right to me.


Yeah so how is your "accept everyone no API lol" policy working out?

Is boat gonna be broadcasting for an awox fleet again?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#24 - 2013-01-19 16:38:22 UTC
Dahc Harbinger wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Yutte Harlamek wrote:
Coming from a longtime recruiter:

1. http://evewho.com/
2. Evekill
3. Check api journal for player trades/donations.
4. Check skill list, if he says he is a miner and cant fly a t1 barge, he needs to do some explaining.
5. Search forums for posts by that player and his alts - this will find character trades.
6. Talk to the guy at least once, you will get a sense of whether hes trying to bullshit you or not.
7. Check past corps (I personally do not care about corp history as much as most people.)
8. If they do join, 2-3 weeks trial period minimum. During this time if they have 0 activity they are either an alt or someone who you don't want in your corp.



So, someone running his business, away for business etc that can't be there but for about 1mth or 2 every whatever period of time, should stay in NPC corporations and it's someone you/no one should want?



With all due respect, but point 8 in Yutte's list does not state that at all. To play devil's advocate though, if you join a corp and disappear immediately afterwards without letting anyone know that you are unavailable due to RL business for a couple of weeks then you're not likely someone the corp is going to want anyway. A simple EVE Mail message is all that is needed - and that's something you don't need to be in-game to compose and send...

Why is common sense so uncommon?


Dont join a corp the day before leaving for a few weeks?

Common sense..just won
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#25 - 2013-01-20 15:15:48 UTC
I thought you were more into browbeating and ganking peaceful players until they join your alliance.
Enaya Wendos
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-01-20 16:39:15 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
..Procedures?

Mine would be:


  1. Check forums to see if character has been bought / sold


And then what? This character has been bought and sold more than an Escort XR3i, doesn't necessarily mean the current owner should be penalised (there's plenty of other reasons to do that P).
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#27 - 2013-01-20 16:55:01 UTC
At best any measures just serve to create the illusion of safety, and at worst are a waste of time which cause more false positives than anything.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-01-20 17:19:23 UTC
Well, from the other side of the coin:

1) Never advertise that your corp is a NRDS corp that resides in highsec. It's incredibly redundant to state such an obvious thing that ALL highsec corps do. It's not a selling point, it's a display of stupidity.

2) Don't advertise your tax rate. Nobody really cares what it is unless its higher than the NPC corp tax.

3) Don't claim that your corp does EVERYTHING in the game, especially when it's obviously not true based on the single digit membership count.

4) Have *some* corp goals in mind. Corps that have no other goal except "to be a chill place for cool doods to hang out" is not a good sell. Players are looking for growing corporations, not hippy communes.

5) If the best selling point you have to advertise is "we smoke weed and have hookers", you have no business running a corporation.


And from a CEOs perspective on recruiting:

1) If you have high isk value ships that your members frequently use (exumers and orcas for example), dint let new recruits anywhere near them. Make a separate corp for new recruits and form an alliance if you have to, just don't let potential corp gankers near your shinys.

2) Don't make potential recruits go to a third party website to fill out applications and other nonsense. It's annoying and unnecessary. You're not weeding anyone out except good recruits by making them jump through unnecessary hoops.

3) Don't make potential recruits sit around in a public channel for weeks or even months before you consider recruiting them. Believe me, unless your corp is highly respected and well known, no player has the patience to sit around for months while you make up your mind to recruit him or not.

4) Do all your background checks and all that stuff, but know that it will never be effective 100% of the time. Bad people will get in and there's nothing you can do to fully stop it. The best you can do is to limit the amount of damage that player can do to the corp. Always fit a tank on every ship every corp member flies. Don't give out roles or hanger access. Have PvP support on standby for whatever corp task your members are engaged in.

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Enaya Wendos
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-01-20 17:41:03 UTC
TBH I agree with Cyprus.

Recruitment is a two way street. Any potential candidate with at least some common sense will have searched KB's, forum posts etc of some of the members to see what type of people they are potentially going to be associated with.

From a personal perspective if I sat in a public channel for ages waiting for a decision, or worse some contact to begin with I wouldn't be impressed. Also the last thing you want to have to do is fill out an application form FOR A GAME. I've researched corps and thought they were the one for me and after checking the website found they wanted some sort of essay. Yes you may well think this helps you get to know people better, but anyone can fill out a decent looking form and still be a complete ****.

Unless your one of the most infamous corps that everyone knows no self respecting person will put up with this ****. Not only that but decent recruits could dismiss your corp thinking 'Y so serious?'. Take some time to think about the impression YOU give out to potential recruits as this will also affect the type of people you attract.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#30 - 2013-01-20 18:10:09 UTC
500m security deposit returned in full after 30 days fixes most recruitment problems Smile

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SB Rico
Sumo Wrestlers
#31 - 2013-01-20 18:33:53 UTC
I have a point to add to Cyprus...

Don't advertise your 4 member corp as all TZ. :)

Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.

Killing me should be for free.
Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
#32 - 2013-01-20 21:58:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent R'lyeh
http://i.imgur.com/Qhm0lkx.png

I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence.....
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-01-20 22:11:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Dave Stark wrote:
NickyYo wrote:
..Procedures?

Mine would be:


  1. Check forums to see if character has been bought / sold
  2. Make sure they are on comms
  3. Get them to submit their API key.


#2 is the bane of my life in this game.
i want to listen to the radio/my music/watch ****.
i do not want to be sat on mumble all day listening to a bunch of idiots talk about **** i have no interest in.

What corp requires that?

If you're going to participate in coordinated activites that require some level of organization and need to give and recieve orders quickly, you'll need to be on coms.

The coms requirement isn't to force you to bullshit on a VOIP, it's so you can HEAR what someone is telling you to do during a fleet op.

I had the same rule for in WoW for anyone that was being recruited to our raid group. Before they could even join the guild they need to be able to have a conversation with me, without me needing to type to them. The only reason I made it a recruitment requriement is because I kept getting people who said they could AT LEAST LISTEN, only to end up with people who weren't even capable of doing that.


That's a pretty rediculous excuse you got there.
Dave Stark
#34 - 2013-01-20 22:22:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
NickyYo wrote:
..Procedures?

Mine would be:


  1. Check forums to see if character has been bought / sold
  2. Make sure they are on comms
  3. Get them to submit their API key.


#2 is the bane of my life in this game.
i want to listen to the radio/my music/watch ****.
i do not want to be sat on mumble all day listening to a bunch of idiots talk about **** i have no interest in.

What corp requires that?

If you're going to participate in coordinated activites that require some level of organization and need to give and recieve orders quickly, you'll need to be on coms.

The coms requirement isn't to force you to bullshit on a VOIP, it's so you can HEAR what someone is telling you to do during a fleet op.

I had the same rule for in WoW for anyone that was being recruited to our raid group. Before they could even join the guild they need to be able to have a conversation with me, without me needing to type to them. The only reason I made it a recruitment requriement is because I kept getting people who said they could AT LEAST LISTEN, only to end up with people who weren't even capable of doing that.


That's a pretty rediculous excuse you got there.


i have no issue being on TS//vent/mumble during an op, but 100% of the time? no way.
corps that want you on voice chat if you're logged in to the game, that's the problem i have.

i have no problem chatting to any one, i have no problem sitting in a channel being shouted at while spaceships are going pop etc but being on voice chat just because i'm online? no, i don't want to have to listen to every on in my corp most of the day.

in wow i used to be on vent for raids, i had no issue with it. the difference is though my guild on wow didn't want me to be on vent all day every day while i was pugging 5mans, doing my daily quests etc.
i appreciate that if you're on voice chat and you get attacked by a neutral it's easier to shout for help but i'd honestly rather lose a hulk than have to spend all day listening to inane chat.

you'd be surprised at how many null sec corps/alliances ***** at you for not being on TS if they can see you in corp but can't see you on the TS server. kinda why i liked test, nobody gave a **** if i was on mumble. i was always on jabber, i like jabber, i prefer typing to speaking.

my gripe isn't having to be on coms, it's ALWAYS having to be on coms. so often when i was in null i'd be on TS, sound and mic muted and in the afk channel even if i wasn't even remotely afk.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-01-20 22:25:11 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
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i have no issue being on TS//vent/mumble during an op, but 100% of the time? no way.
corps that want you on voice chat if you're logged in to the game, that's the problem i have.

You should tell us who does this, that corp deserves to be publicly rediculed.
Dave Stark
#36 - 2013-01-20 22:28:53 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i have no issue being on TS//vent/mumble during an op, but 100% of the time? no way.
corps that want you on voice chat if you're logged in to the game, that's the problem i have.

You should tell us who does this, that corp deserves to be publicly rediculed.


you're more than welcome to look at my corp history, it's not that long.
it was always the ever so subtle "there are x people online in corp and only y people on TS" comments in corp chat every so often, it'd be amusing if it wasn't tragic.
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#37 - 2013-01-20 22:29:29 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
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i have no issue being on TS//vent/mumble during an op, but 100% of the time? no way.
corps that want you on voice chat if you're logged in to the game, that's the problem i have.

You should tell us who does this, that corp deserves to be publicly rediculed.


I don't see the need for this other than for highly active PvP corps or when you're in a null alliance during wartime

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-01-20 22:34:35 UTC
Yutte Harlamek wrote:
Coming from a longtime recruiter:

1. http://evewho.com/
2. Evekill
3. Check api journal for player trades/donations.
4. Check skill list, if he says he is a miner and cant fly a t1 barge, he needs to do some explaining.
5. Search forums for posts by that player and his alts - this will find character trades.
6. Talk to the guy at least once, you will get a sense of whether hes trying to bullshit you or not.
7. Check past corps (I personally do not care about corp history as much as most people.)
8. If they do join, 2-3 weeks trial period minimum. During this time if they have 0 activity they are either an alt or someone who you don't want in your corp.


Words for a CEO to live by.
Shalia Ripper
#39 - 2013-01-20 22:41:30 UTC
Make sure they are not NickyYo.

Sig blah blah blah blah
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#40 - 2013-01-20 23:34:18 UTC
Vincent R'lyeh wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/Qhm0lkx.png


Original source: http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20120625 (and this was posted on the first page of this thread)

I wonder if the person posting the image to Imgur had permission to copy and publish? Does noone respect copyright these days?

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