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Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-01-20 02:08:07 UTC
Kalle Demos wrote:
Read before whining.

I was thinking about it for a few mins and well is it really a bad thing? It makes sense in a way, just imagine it for a second, everyone friends, instead of talking about who you are going to kill next, you are instead laughing at pics and articles. PvP can be about attacking rats instead of players, RP will grow like this as you can easily compare it to real life.

I think EVE will get more popular and become a lot more entertaining if we all agreed to stop shooting each other either through actual NAPs or verbal agreements.

Its a shame this will never happen :'(

Now you may whine,..


Well sounds borred if you ask me. The game is design to do pvp combat. But offcourse eve have more to offen then pvp combat. But all other are part of the pvp combat what ever you do its have effect in game. And its all about combat even marketing people are combating. However ccp knows that not all humans love to pvp. So the create more jobs for that kind of people.

And no i will never been nice to people ingame when i can shoot i shoot. The question why not? Because its the rule of real life? or its more to destroy that players day? no its some sort of fun. Enjoy the game thats what you need to do whining will not help you to get this game at your best needs.
Lady Zarrina
New Eden Browncoats
#42 - 2013-01-20 03:50:51 UTC
We would all have to come up with a smurf themed name?

EVE: All about Flying Frisky and Making Iskie
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#43 - 2013-01-20 04:19:44 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
Romvex wrote:
Eve would not be dying, but dead.


Nah, the majority of people don't play games anymore to be jerkwads with anger issues. In the future people will talk to each other like normal in game or out as many do now. I think the die hard wannabe Machiavellians are a vocal minority. I see people acting like fruitcakes just because they are online and I think "people still live like that?"

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#44 - 2013-01-20 06:14:47 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Mister S Burke wrote:
Romvex wrote:
Eve would not be dying, but dead.

Nah, the majority of people don't play games anymore to be jerkwads with anger issues. In the future people will talk to each other like normal in game or out as many do now. I think the die hard wannabe Machiavellians are a vocal minority. I see people acting like fruitcakes just because they are online and I think "people still live like that?"

You're new here, aren't you?

EVE is cold and harsh. It's up to us, the players, to start a fire and gather blankets.

By which I mean burn down someone's house and smother the survivors.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2013-01-20 06:31:49 UTC
Kalle Demos wrote:
Read before whining.

I was thinking about it for a few mins and well is it really a bad thing? It makes sense in a way, just imagine it for a second, everyone friends, instead of talking about who you are going to kill next, you are instead laughing at pics and articles. PvP can be about attacking rats instead of players, RP will grow like this as you can easily compare it to real life.

I think EVE will get more popular and become a lot more entertaining if we all agreed to stop shooting each other either through actual NAPs or verbal agreements.

Its a shame this will never happen :'(

Now you may whine,..


You should think about it longer than a few minutes. Big smileBig smile

But really, the "real life" you are referring to is just an illusion created by societal rules. Real life is actually a lot more like eve. Some places people use bullets, other places people use fists, or threats, or even lawyers. But people hurt people all the time to get what they want, and it works.

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Veronica Kerrigan
Surgically Constructed L Feminist
#46 - 2013-01-20 06:37:50 UTC
OP, if you may care to direct yourself that way ----->
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Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2013-01-20 07:05:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kalle Demos wrote:
I was thinking about it for a few mins and well is it really a bad thing?
1. No more massive ship losses, which leads to…
2. Complete collapse in demand for ships and modules, which leads to…
3. Complete collapse of industry, which leads to…
4. Complete collapse of the economy, which leads to…
5. No more reason to do anything in the game, which leads to…
6. Everyone leaves, which leads to…
7. The end.

Yes, it would be a bad thing.

The entire game revolves around a war economy where the broken window fallacy is not a fallacy but the core driving factor. Removing the war and the broken windows would not have even a single good consequence.

Nah you would still have ship loss to missions, Incursions sleeper and other NPCs. Plus people who cross train will want ships and modules. There would still be a market for ammo, charges, etc...
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-01-20 09:36:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyprus Black
Kalle Demos wrote:
Read before whining.

I was thinking about it for a few mins and well is it really a bad thing? It makes sense in a way, just imagine it for a second, everyone friends, instead of talking about who you are going to kill next, you are instead laughing at pics and articles. PvP can be about attacking rats instead of players, RP will grow like this as you can easily compare it to real life.

I think EVE will get more popular and become a lot more entertaining if we all agreed to stop shooting each other either through actual NAPs or verbal agreements.

Its a shame this will never happen :'(

Now you may whine,..

If everyone were blue to each other:

Nullsec stagnation (which is what we're already starting to see).

Lack of ships getting blown up means the EvE economy would crash. Huge surplus of stuff not selling because none of it is being destroyed. The entire economy is dependent on stuff breaking so industrialists can make new stuff to fill the hole. No stuff breaking = no industrialists making stuff = No money changes hands = money becomes meaningless = game economy starts to look like WoWs and D3's broken economy with their out of control inflation. Eventually the EvE economy will look like Lineage 2. By then the damage is irreparable.

Summary of EvEs last four expansions: http://imgur.com/ZL5SM33
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#49 - 2013-01-20 10:44:14 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Mister S Burke wrote:
Romvex wrote:
Eve would not be dying, but dead.


Nah, the majority of people don't play games anymore to be jerkwads with anger issues. In the future people will talk to each other like normal in game or out as many do now. I think the die hard wannabe Machiavellians are a vocal minority. I see people acting like fruitcakes just because they are online and I think "people still live like that?"


Fun fact:

Miners and mission runners are the most likely to fill local with endless rage, death threats and yo mamma insults.


That's definitely not what your mom said to me this morning.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Yeovilty
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-01-20 13:25:56 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kalle Demos wrote:
I was thinking about it for a few mins and well is it really a bad thing?
1. No more massive ship losses, which leads to…
2. Complete collapse in demand for ships and modules, which leads to…
3. Complete collapse of industry, which leads to…
4. Complete collapse of the economy, which leads to…
5. No more reason to do anything in the game, which leads to…
6. Everyone leaves, which leads to…
7. The end.

Yes, it would be a bad thing.

The entire game revolves around a war economy where the broken window fallacy is not a fallacy but the core driving factor. Removing the war and the broken windows would not have even a single good consequence.

Nah you would still have ship loss to missions, Incursions sleeper and other NPCs. Plus people who cross train will want ships and modules. There would still be a market for ammo, charges, etc...


Pretty sure that accounts for a very, very small amount of losses.
On a pure guess I'd say it's 90% PVP/ganking etc that causes ship losses.
Dave Stark
#51 - 2013-01-20 13:30:08 UTC
Yeovilty wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kalle Demos wrote:
I was thinking about it for a few mins and well is it really a bad thing?
1. No more massive ship losses, which leads to…
2. Complete collapse in demand for ships and modules, which leads to…
3. Complete collapse of industry, which leads to…
4. Complete collapse of the economy, which leads to…
5. No more reason to do anything in the game, which leads to…
6. Everyone leaves, which leads to…
7. The end.

Yes, it would be a bad thing.

The entire game revolves around a war economy where the broken window fallacy is not a fallacy but the core driving factor. Removing the war and the broken windows would not have even a single good consequence.

Nah you would still have ship loss to missions, Incursions sleeper and other NPCs. Plus people who cross train will want ships and modules. There would still be a market for ammo, charges, etc...


Pretty sure that accounts for a very, very small amount of losses.
On a pure guess I'd say it's 90% PVP/ganking etc that causes ship losses.


i'd say 73.5% of percentages are completely inaccurate and pulled out of some one's ass to try and give credibility to an absurd statement.
Yeovilty
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-01-20 13:42:35 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Yeovilty wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kalle Demos wrote:
I was thinking about it for a few mins and well is it really a bad thing?
1. No more massive ship losses, which leads to…
2. Complete collapse in demand for ships and modules, which leads to…
3. Complete collapse of industry, which leads to…
4. Complete collapse of the economy, which leads to…
5. No more reason to do anything in the game, which leads to…
6. Everyone leaves, which leads to…
7. The end.

Yes, it would be a bad thing.

The entire game revolves around a war economy where the broken window fallacy is not a fallacy but the core driving factor. Removing the war and the broken windows would not have even a single good consequence.

Nah you would still have ship loss to missions, Incursions sleeper and other NPCs. Plus people who cross train will want ships and modules. There would still be a market for ammo, charges, etc...


Pretty sure that accounts for a very, very small amount of losses.
On a pure guess I'd say it's 90% PVP/ganking etc that causes ship losses.


i'd say 73.5% of percentages are completely inaccurate and pulled out of some one's ass to try and give credibility to an absurd statement.


As I said, and I'll underline it for you, it was a pure guess.
For someone who speaks to and tries to help the newer players out in what they want to do, even they, who are not used to EVE, lose more ships from ganking/pvp than they do from PvE. With only a little guidance, you can fit up a ship for each level of mission that is almost impossible to lose if you just pay attention.
Spurty
#53 - 2013-01-20 14:08:43 UTC
I believe its actually the cure to the game.

I'm addicted to this game because EVE isn't 100% blue.

The day it gets even close to 40% blue, my addiction will wane and so will my desire to pay / play.

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Zhade Lezte
#54 - 2013-01-20 19:38:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhade Lezte
If low, null, and WH space were all blue... (and all highsec wardecs were evaded with the usual tricks that still exist today)

I would suicide gank so many things in highsec with dirt-cheap ships and modules as the game slowly died.

After this last gasp orgy of violence, everyone would probably get bored and leave, except for the most anti-PVE of highseccers.

And if they are to be believed, CCP would clearly be just fine financially with such a "silent majority" of highsec dwellers getting what they truly wanted: a PVP free game Lol

Assuming it didn't end there they would eventually get all the faction fit pirate BS, sansha supercarriers, and titans they could possibly want even faster than before, and then quit as the game offers nothing more for them, signing up for a new MMO to toil endlessly in for more pixelated shiny things.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#55 - 2013-01-20 19:47:53 UTC
Quote:
Whats the worst thing that could happen if everyone was blue to each other?



Nothing but only fun.


Kill blues, tell Vile Rat.

RIP SMVR o7

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Kalle Demos
Ironic Corp Name
#56 - 2013-01-20 19:49:49 UTC
Thread Twist: What if CCP made it physically impossible for alliances to have more than 1000 players through corps, introduce a cap of 500 in corps AND made it impossible to NAP people but introduced a temp and costly armistice between alliances if and when only needed?
Bosman Galgafrak Four
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#57 - 2013-01-20 19:55:23 UTC
The worst thing that would happen? You know those toy space ships we use to point out where the bad people have touched us? Those companies would go out of business.
DARKIFRIT
RAZNESU ssi
#58 - 2013-01-20 20:02:13 UTC
Kalle Demos wrote:
Read before whining.

I was thinking about it for a few mins and well is it really a bad thing? It makes sense in a way, just imagine it for a second, everyone friends, instead of talking about who you are going to kill next, you are instead laughing at pics and articles. PvP can be about attacking rats instead of players, RP will grow like this as you can easily compare it to real life.

I think EVE will get more popular and become a lot more entertaining if we all agreed to stop shooting each other either through actual NAPs or verbal agreements.

Its a shame this will never happen :'(

Now you may whine,..


What about the people who take pride in short blue lists, people that actually love PVP, if everyone was blue it would be carebear paradise, but hell for everybody else..... DEATH TO THE CARE BEARS!
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-01-20 20:03:39 UTC
DARKIFRIT wrote:
Kalle Demos wrote:
Read before whining.

I was thinking about it for a few mins and well is it really a bad thing? It makes sense in a way, just imagine it for a second, everyone friends, instead of talking about who you are going to kill next, you are instead laughing at pics and articles. PvP can be about attacking rats instead of players, RP will grow like this as you can easily compare it to real life.

I think EVE will get more popular and become a lot more entertaining if we all agreed to stop shooting each other either through actual NAPs or verbal agreements.

Its a shame this will never happen :'(

Now you may whine,..


What about the people who take pride in short blue lists, people that actually love PVP, if everyone was blue it would be carebear paradise, but hell for everybody else..... DEATH TO THE CARE BEARS!

Sounds like if everyone in null was blue, people like you would have a wonderful playground to go find people to shoot and not be punished by the hand of god.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#60 - 2013-01-20 20:05:21 UTC
We've seen this play out already, and the result is they begin obsessing over hisec.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi