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Guess what? Solo players ARE the majority in EVE.

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YuuKnow
The Scope
#21 - 2013-01-20 03:18:14 UTC
I like Uniflex's and Seagulls idea of creating a total vision of the game. It seems like that has been lacking for a bit.

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Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#22 - 2013-01-20 03:24:58 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

TL;DR: solo players are by CCP's words a majority in EVE and have been largely ignored. One of the approaches to EVE's next decade it's dealing with us and the person in charge is CCP Seagull. Follow the link and make your voice heard.

Forums are "multiplayer", sorry they wont hear you here.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-01-20 04:09:46 UTC  |  Edited by: mynnna
BuckBoomBoom wrote:
There are really 2 types of ppl that CCP really cares about or should anyway. The new player and the Vets. That is where there money comes from.


No. A new solo player will desire very different things than a veteran group player (just for example), which means that using "vet" and "newbie" as your high level archetypes is foolish. CCP recognizes this, which is why they identified "enabler", "instigator", "follower", "lurker" and "small group leader" instead. Within each of those categories might be other sub-categories ("PvEer, "explorer", "pvper", "industrialist", etc), and then newbie/vet is a classification that overlays that in other ways.

That's not to say that they shouldn't take them into consideration as categories, just that they're a second or third tier classification. You provide content for the follower or lurker (for example), and it might fit a sub category ("miner" for example) and then you make sure that both new and old players get something out of it (by buffing barges for the vets but also smoothing out the skill progression and adding the venture for the new guys).

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-01-20 04:16:16 UTC
Nick Asir wrote:
I dont think that CCP wants solo players. Why would you play solo anyway? Seems every aspect of the game is much easier in even small groups.


Because you can't trust any other player?
Nicor Syke'Nexen
#25 - 2013-01-20 04:40:36 UTC
I think the number one reason why there are so many solo players:

1. It is very easy to get scammed, in at least 452 different ways, by people you are supposed to trust and/or be friends with.

Spend some time in an npc corp and listen to these guys talk about the corp they used to be in. this is the biggest issue to these guys. If CCP would just patch up some loopholes and fix a few things *cough* POSes and Ship Maintenance Array *cough*, a lot of these issues would go away. Most people don't want to have their carrier stolen by some guy they've supposedly been friends with for 3 years...

and before anyone throws in the 'emergent gameplay' or 'sandbox' arguments... Then why do npc corp protections and strict concord rules even exist? People always try to claim how sandboxy EVE is, but the sandbox only barely begins if you are in a player corp and/or leave high sec.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#26 - 2013-01-20 05:59:31 UTC
Nicor Syke'Nexen wrote:
People always try to claim how sandboxy EVE is, but the sandbox only barely begins if you are in a player corp and/or leave high sec.


So join a player corp and leave highsec Smile

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Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-01-20 06:25:30 UTC
LOL so many minds constantly thinking upon the game as to how to make it fun.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-01-20 06:29:25 UTC
Solo players may be the majority, but they are doing it wrong.

I operate under the flag of a solo corp made up of me and my alts, but I actually fly with another group. I'm practically in their corp.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#29 - 2013-01-20 06:32:41 UTC
Nicor Syke'Nexen wrote:
It is very easy to get scammed, in at least 452 different ways, by people you are supposed to trust and/or be friends with.

Reminds me of this time we were promised an Aeon killmail.

Turns out Boat was looking at an Amarr Control Tower Large sideways.

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Captain Death1
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2013-01-20 07:46:45 UTC
tbh the few players that want force grouping they don't want to hear the truth that type of game play is old stale and dead
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-01-20 08:19:26 UTC
Captain Death1 wrote:
tbh the few players that want force grouping they don't want to hear the truth that type of game play is old stale and dead


I thought solo PvP was dead?

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#32 - 2013-01-20 08:25:57 UTC
Andski wrote:
Captain Death1 wrote:
tbh the few players that want force grouping they don't want to hear the truth that type of game play is old stale and dead

I thought solo PvP was dead?

It's just waiting for blobs to be nerfed.

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-01-20 09:19:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
*snip*

EDIT: Making personal attacks of that nature is against the forum rules, do not do it - ISD Type40.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#34 - 2013-01-20 09:35:01 UTC
Nick Asir wrote:
I dont think that CCP wants solo players. Why would you play solo anyway? Seems every aspect of the game is much easier in even small groups.


That's true. EVE doesn't likes solo players. Which begs the question on why those are the majority of players and how long it takes until they become ex-players, and then how long it will take until everyone who could potentially be a EVE solo player has tried to and given up.

You know, currently CCP is taking very seriously player retention and returning players. Also has engaged in aggressive marketing (maybe a tad too aggressive, as some people claims that they've been offered Power of 2 right after subscribing... which is puzzling to say the least).

My read of that is that they've seen the tilting point coming. TQ is slowly crawling back to pre-Incarna levels, but that should not mislead us: Tranquility reached Incarna levels on the rise and now it's struggling to hold the ground. So far that doesn't affects CCP too much as they've plugged themselves into another market (the new Serenity) so corporate income is healthier than, say, one year ago, but stagnation has been looming over TQ demographics since Incarna.

And now it turns out that most of players in EVE are not the kind of player CCP has been engaging, and actually that silent majority has been given the short end of resources and attention since Apochrypha (which was not specifically targeted at them, anyway).

Now, as CCP's development strategy tilts towards "multi-threaded expansions", it's time that solo players and their close neighbors the casual players demand and get the attention they deserve.

Because, you know, most people out there, in EVE as in every MMOG, it's like us.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Mhax Arthie
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-01-20 09:43:33 UTC
I don't understand this topic. Everything in EVE is pvp, call that brute force gunfight, market pvp or whatever. Anything you do in EVE is pvp based on a huge buterfly effect. Being solo in this game is just an illusion.. for example if you buy something from the market, that something was built or looted by another player and so you interfere with his wallet happines :P It's absolutely impossible to play solo in EVE, ditto.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#36 - 2013-01-20 09:49:35 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
I don't know.

One the chat channel and subsequent Teamspeak server off the channel "EvE Voice Help's" most of the people I talk to own their own corps, but don't mind interacting with other people on Teamspeak.

It is just that people do want human interaction but don't really trust each other enough to include each other in their own corp.


"Solo" player does not mean "single player mode". FAI, I have joined several corporations -and learned to not join corporations, btw-, and have engaged in activities with other players even not at corporate level.

But, most of the time, I've been doing my stuff, due to time constraints, my own personality and my experience with EVE's corporations (fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me).

And then it turns that the range of things we can do on our own in EVE is limited and discouraged because everyfucking one is supposed to go nullsec and join the uberalliances in their quest for ultimate boredom.

As interesting(?) as is nullsec drama, it should not be the only endgame content, just in case that a majority of players were the exact opposite of a nullsec dweller...

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Dave Stark
#37 - 2013-01-20 09:59:21 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
Nicor Syke'Nexen wrote:
People always try to claim how sandboxy EVE is, but the sandbox only barely begins if you are in a player corp and/or leave high sec.


So join a player corp and leave highsec Smile


sadly, to some types of players, NPC corps are vastly superior to player corps.
Akiyo Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-01-20 12:22:29 UTC
Why would you play solo in a game like EVE? Pirate

No
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#39 - 2013-01-20 12:34:25 UTC
Oh, ffs. Not this again. How many times does it have to be repeated?!
Character ≠ player.
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
I keep reading this and all I see is Unifex saying that more CHARACTERS are controlled by people who solo, and not specifically that there are more people playing solo.

[…]

When did Unifex say that the majority of players are playing solo?
^^ This.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-01-20 13:03:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
Solo players = Many, many casual players = "The Lights Stay On and The Doors Stay Open".

Some days, reality kicks you in the stones. Deal with it.

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