EVE New Citizens Q&A

I left for service when i made this guy; got back to the states recently and I'm continuing my path into mining.
But after researching alot of the endgame methods for gaining isk

I'm left with a pit in my stomach about these incursions.
Players are reporting anywhere from 500-1bil/day in isk gain by fleeting up for these
While when I run back to station after 15 times with my retriever, I'm getting a couple mil. (This is hours of time).

My research reports that hulks don't even make 1/8th of incursion piltos.

I'm just hoping someone from CCP can at the very least clarify this so I can stop mining and just train for a battleship like everyone else since I could just refine loot. I just lost my motivation to mine with all this information. I really really want to be a miner and make my own stuff and sell it and everything but..

I cannot see a reason to pursue it if these combat pilots can both Get the minerals AND make 10times the isk then I do.

Because it feels like It's pointless. Like no matter how much I try, I'll never be able to afford my losses if I want to go goof around in a cruiser or battleship in lowsec. I want to mine because I want to have control of production; to help a corp make ships. But I'm having trouble seeing it as a viable option with people running incursions making enough to replace ships, buy and control market chunks, and even just refine their loot and do the same thing I'm doing.

I need a reason. I only came to this game because of the advertisement of reality, awesome gameplay, and ECONOMY.

So I'm here posting in several threads about the pisspoor management of the Economy and Mining in general to either
A) Get confirmation that the winter expansion is put on hold or produced on time With changes to mining
B) See that nothing will ever be done to mining no matter what words they push down throats and conform to Incursions
or
C) Confirm my cancellation and move on to another game.



ISK is THE endgame. You have isk, you pay for your accounts; make pvp ships; do everything and anything you want because you can afford the loss.

So you admit the amount of work involved in making trading, mining, and manufactoring profitable. And yet incursion pilots train a few skills, fit a few mods, grab a friend and just click in space mindlessly while the logistic buddies listen for a que to "heal" someone else.

Obviously it's time for change and you made that point even clearer. Thank you.

isks arn't the end-game. At least... not anymore.

There was a time when earning your first billion isks was something to celebrate. Not anymore.

Now, mining can be more rewarding than what you are doing right now. It has it's own end-game, which is flying a hulk. The best way to make isks out of it is to either have a friend or an alt doing the hauling for you. Your hulk never leaves the belt, it jetsi's it's cargo once it's nearly full, and the hauler retrieve the ore. Do that max your yield on a hulk and i can garantee you that mining is worth doing.

It's the most efficient way to mine. Also to train for ore processing and trading skill to max profit. It's kind silly to compare your courrent isks income whith incursion which are the PvE endgame, while you havn't reached to endgame level of a miner at all.

Training for incursion starts by running missions, and Lev1-2 missions are far from lucrative. Level 3 and 4 are interesting, but you can definity do the same income by mining and trading.

They can be a lot of isks to be made by mining, but i would be lying if i said an incursion wasn't the best way to make isks at the moment.

Thing is.... you don't go to an incursion untill you can either fly a logistic cruiser, a T3 cruiser or a faction battleship and Faction modules. Which will take time and money.

Not to mention that Incursion require other players to join in. It's not something you can do solo.

As a miner you can whatch a movie while mining a belt. Just check your cargo hold from time to time. You can't do that while doing an incursion, so suffise to say that being a miner is more relaxing. Unless you mine in lowsec, but there is not point to it.

Either way both mining and incursion running are good to make isks, and honestly you will end-up with more isks than you really need in either case, so don't make it your top priority.

As said the above, the question you must ask yourself is "Do i want to be an industrial?". Choose the path you think is fun to explore.

hum lol, you will need an even bigger updrade to start doing incursions. We are talking about a few months of skill training here. So no it doesn't prove your point at all.

Now most miners in eve do it because they like to mine. Yes yes it's true i swear. And thank god to that. You won't have ships to buy without those miners out there.

Now if being a combat pilot is what you want in the first place, yes clearly you should stop mining and start doing missions. On that, you have a point.

Faction Navy battleship:
3 lvl 4 skills and then a few points in Battleships.
t2 shield mods:
level 4 in 2 skills.
MAYBE dps upgrade mods:
lvl 4 weapon upgrades? MAYBE lvl 5 for 1 or 2?
T2 guns are the only thing with a long training time which would be the end-game portion of a battleship.

Have you seen how much it takes to fly a orca which is in fact the only viable 1account mining ship of worth?(AND the price of putting t2 mining drones to make it effecient?)

Try again.

The ones who are shooting things for minerals are not the same as the ones who are making hundreds of millions of ISK an hour on Incursions. The ones you're thinking of are the 60M ISK/hr mission runners who have pimped out ships worth tens of billions of ISK.

If your goal is to wander low sec in a gang engaging in PvP, train for that play style. Running Incursions is a natural extension of that play style. Running missions is a natural extension of that play style. Mining and manufacturing are not natural extensions of the low sec roaming gang play style.

You shouldn't be mining with the intention of making ISK. If your intent is to make ISK, pick the activity that you can do which makes the most ISK. Don't complain that the activity you're doing is not making the most ISK. You obviously picked that activity for other reasons.

Complaining that mining doesn't make enough ISK compared to the cowboys flying sexy ships is equivalent to complaining that a job as a production line employee in China doesn't pay as much as CEO of Apple. The labour is cheap because there are so many people willing to undercut each other to do that job.

If you're really concerned about the time it takes to make the ISK you want, why not buy PLEX to convert to ISK? The exchange rate is quite favourable at this point in time.

Mining is in the state that it's in largely because of changes to the game loudly demanded by miners. When you have a low-skill, low risk, low investment, low attention activity that harvests an extremely abundant resource to sell in a competitive economy, then how much money do you think you're going to make at it?

If you want to make mining lucrative, then you need to ask CCP to make it difficult, dangerous and for there to be far less asteroids available.

Bear in mind that you're talking to someone who has done mining in 0.0 so, I know how "dangerous" belt rats are.

Have you participated in Incursions?

Another problem:
It -is- dangerous because combat kiddies make it so. Have you not seen "Hulkageddon" and "Ice mining embargo by Goonswarm" and every year, according to the history of EVE, is a new threat to miners.

You wanted it to be dangerous? It's already there. We do just as much right-click targetting as combat pilots. Our profession, if anything, is among the MOST dangerous of professions.