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Smaller Alliances/Corps Need To Take Their Game Back

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Jathlor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2013-01-20 02:36:07 UTC
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You're dealing with uber dorks that don't have the reflexes to play a FPS.[/quote]

NIce one......going in my sig
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#62 - 2013-01-20 02:38:15 UTC
Kamden Line wrote:
To beat us....you must become us.

But then have they truly defeated "us"?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2013-01-20 02:38:17 UTC
Kamden Line wrote:
To beat us....you must become us.

Or just fill a fleet with thrashers.
Then everyone within 50 jumps panics and resets you.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Nick Asir
Doomheim
#64 - 2013-01-20 02:40:31 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Nick Asir wrote:
If you are so upset why not become the leader of the rebel alliance instead of whining about it here.

I hear the HBC loves small rebel alliances that start by killing the group they came from for leaving them to die to the HBC.


So obviously that's not the way to do it. How would you go about taking groups like yours down?
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
#65 - 2013-01-20 02:57:22 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
I expressed similar views a while back and it hasn't changed.

These huge Alliances/Coalitions with their ridiculous entry requirements are destroying this game.

It's harder to join an established Alliance in EVE than to obtain your Hazmat endorsement for your license IRL. Seriously. I've done both. I can compare.

I'm personally on my out way of this game. I've tried and tried but this Oligarchical system in EVE is annoying and lame. A FEW people control everything in this game and even the Devs cater to them. This game belongs to Montolio and MIttani and yes, even as a TEST member, I'm tired of it. Even in this so-called stupid ass "broship" between Goons and Test, I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.

I'm done being PC and doing Damage control for HBC/CFC. You guys are NOT helpful to new players. You are NOT inclusive. You can spew that BS to people on the outside, but not to me. Your corps consist of either ALTs of members, RL friends or people you goaded into trying EVE from your dumbass member sites (SA/Reddit). People like myself on the inside who dare to shake things up and have a mind of their own are shunned and forced out. I don't even bother posting on Test forums anymore because of how hated I am simply for not being an ass kisser. That's how it is in these large Alliances. They don't want PEOPLE. They want robots.

Smaller groups need to band together to take this game back. Nulli, NC etc. HBC/CFC are DESTROYING this game. this big blob crap is not sustainable. 75% of null being blue to each other is crap and ruins EVE.

Any of you HBC flunkies see this post and want to go tattle and get me booted, feel free, I just don't give a damn anymore. I am sick and damned TIRED of this crap. It's like I'm in f'kin High School again....I don't want to have to deal with some BS popularity contest just to be able to have fun in an Alliance.

You vets attack carebears day in and day out for "not realizing that EVE is a PVP game". Why don't you guys have anything to say to the folks who go and blue up 75% of null sec??? Isn't THAT negating the pvp aspect of eve???

I've said it before and I'll say it again: As a null seccer I feel SAFER in null sec than I do in HIGH or LOW sec.


Oh Boy............now you've gone and done it, look at all the damage control pouring into this thread now, your making the women nervous and i don't think you'll effect a policy shift in CFC anytime soon. probably would have been better off just leaving Shocked

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Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#66 - 2013-01-20 03:01:58 UTC
Xpaulusx wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
I expressed similar views a while back and it hasn't changed.

These huge Alliances/Coalitions with their ridiculous entry requirements are destroying this game.

It's harder to join an established Alliance in EVE than to obtain your Hazmat endorsement for your license IRL. Seriously. I've done both. I can compare.

I'm personally on my out way of this game. I've tried and tried but this Oligarchical system in EVE is annoying and lame. A FEW people control everything in this game and even the Devs cater to them. This game belongs to Montolio and MIttani and yes, even as a TEST member, I'm tired of it. Even in this so-called stupid ass "broship" between Goons and Test, I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.

I'm done being PC and doing Damage control for HBC/CFC. You guys are NOT helpful to new players. You are NOT inclusive. You can spew that BS to people on the outside, but not to me. Your corps consist of either ALTs of members, RL friends or people you goaded into trying EVE from your dumbass member sites (SA/Reddit). People like myself on the inside who dare to shake things up and have a mind of their own are shunned and forced out. I don't even bother posting on Test forums anymore because of how hated I am simply for not being an ass kisser. That's how it is in these large Alliances. They don't want PEOPLE. They want robots.

Smaller groups need to band together to take this game back. Nulli, NC etc. HBC/CFC are DESTROYING this game. this big blob crap is not sustainable. 75% of null being blue to each other is crap and ruins EVE.

Any of you HBC flunkies see this post and want to go tattle and get me booted, feel free, I just don't give a damn anymore. I am sick and damned TIRED of this crap. It's like I'm in f'kin High School again....I don't want to have to deal with some BS popularity contest just to be able to have fun in an Alliance.

You vets attack carebears day in and day out for "not realizing that EVE is a PVP game". Why don't you guys have anything to say to the folks who go and blue up 75% of null sec??? Isn't THAT negating the pvp aspect of eve???

I've said it before and I'll say it again: As a null seccer I feel SAFER in null sec than I do in HIGH or LOW sec.


Oh Boy............now you've gone and done it, look at all the damage control pouring into this thread now, your making the women nervous and i don't think you'll effect a policy shift in CFC anytime soon. probably would have been better off just leaving Shocked


This wasn't about a policy shift. Troll, Attention whore, etc. W/e the Goon Pets call me doesn't matter. I refuse to be one of these players that just bow down to someone simply because they have lots of members. I will say how I feel. Don't like it, don't post in the thread and let it die. Simple.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2013-01-20 03:04:44 UTC
Yawn.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#68 - 2013-01-20 03:17:17 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:


I'm personally on my out way of this game. I've tried and tried but this Oligarchical system in EVE is annoying and lame. A FEW people control everything in this game and even the Devs cater to them. This game belongs to Montolio and MIttani and yes, even as a TEST member, I'm tired of it. Even in this so-called stupid ass "broship" between Goons and Test, I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.



I'm not trying to be obtuse, but I thought the goonies would take anyone. They have standards now? Must have happened after Bastanni left. :)
Goddamned American Capitalist
Doomheim
#69 - 2013-01-20 03:18:54 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
When small groups band together they become the next BoB or NC.

What we need is for 0.0 to not just accommodate the very largest groups, but also smaller alliances. Of course the larger groups should have more space, just don't allow them to claim a quarter of the freaking universe and leave it empty and unused, when many smaller alliances would love to use it.


Sovereignty should be tied to occupancy. Claimed (though unoccupied) systems should have an exponential increase in the Sov Bills. If a system is actively being used and lived in, the Sov Bill should lessen over time (though the costs for Strategic Upgrades would remain the same).

Live in your space and use it and you will be rewarded; Conquer huge tracts of space for little more than moons or lols or to be some sort of absentee landlord and find yourself going bankrupt before your Strategic Indexes hit 2.

This would encourage larger numbers of smaller alliances to fill the voids that would be left. It would create a richer environment for all involved.
Nicor Syke'Nexen
#70 - 2013-01-20 03:47:19 UTC
Kamden Line wrote:
To beat us....you must become us.


If you mattered, it might matter...
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2013-01-20 03:52:07 UTC
There are plenty of problems that I can see with nullsec, even as a dude who operates almost completely in highsec. The fact that there's a huge ass sea of blue from is something that bothers me.

However, they worked their asses off for that sea of blue. They made a strong culture, a strong economy, did their diplomacy well, made good strategic decisions, and even went out and slayed code-dragons and smithed their bones into apps and out-of-game communication structures.

While it would bring me joy to see nullsec on fire, you think that some divine force should whoosh in and take the candy they worked for and give it to you because you just plain old want them to?

I *do* hope for a change that makes nullsec more interesting, but those putting the most work in and playing the most intelligently will have the greatest reward, no matter what the system is. If you want what they have, be better then they are.

Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity
Goddamned American Capitalist
Doomheim
#72 - 2013-01-20 04:07:00 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
There are plenty of problems that I can see with nullsec, even as a dude who operates almost completely in highsec. The fact that there's a huge ass sea of blue from is something that bothers me.

However, they worked their asses off for that sea of blue. They made a strong culture, a strong economy, did their diplomacy well, made good strategic decisions, and even went out and slayed code-dragons and smithed their bones into apps and out-of-game communication structures.

While it would bring me joy to see nullsec on fire, you think that some divine force should whoosh in and take the candy they worked for and give it to you because you just plain old want them to?

I *do* hope for a change that makes nullsec more interesting, but those putting the most work in and playing the most intelligently will have the greatest reward, no matter what the system is. If you want what they have, be better then they are.


Yes, the apps and the out-of-game comms are a nice addition to the game, however, this does not change that null-sec is still largely empty and really only profitable for a select few.

Anyone who isn't in the "In-crowd" will never make it far given the current circumstances of 0.0. Eve is an MMO, shouldn't it reward more than a handful of people?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#73 - 2013-01-20 04:19:34 UTC
How many members does Goonwaffe have again?

We're really exclusive guys.
Like really.
Goddamned American Capitalist
Doomheim
#74 - 2013-01-20 04:26:34 UTC
I am not saying that the small handful haven't acquired a vast number of so-called allies and corpmates to do their bidding for them.

I'd assume that the vast majority of Goonwaffe are in the same boat as the vast majority of the 26k blues, which is to say that they are simply dupes and tools working for someone else.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#75 - 2013-01-20 04:33:26 UTC
Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:
I am not saying that the small handful haven't acquired a vast number of so-called allies and corpmates to do their bidding for them.

I'd assume that the vast majority of Goonwaffe are in the same boat as the vast majority of the 26k blues, which is to say that they are simply dupes and tools working for someone else.



Assuming that you are right (wich I don't belive), what exactly is supposed to be wrong with that anyway? I rarely see any good whining about not being able to do what they please or being forced into activity X because Mittani said so. They seem to be just as free to do what they want as a NPC corp player in high sec.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-01-20 04:35:42 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:


I'm personally on my out way of this game. I've tried and tried but this Oligarchical system in EVE is annoying and lame. A FEW people control everything in this game and even the Devs cater to them. This game belongs to Montolio and MIttani and yes, even as a TEST member, I'm tired of it. Even in this so-called stupid ass "broship" between Goons and Test, I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.



I'm not trying to be obtuse, but I thought the goonies would take anyone. They have standards now? Must have happened after Bastanni left. :)



From what I remember, there is a set of steps to go through to be accepted. Doobie probably messed up on one to be rejected.
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#77 - 2013-01-20 04:36:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Messoroz
Quote:

I've said it before and I'll say it again: As a null seccer I feel SAFER in null sec than I do in HIGH or LOW sec.


I agree, as someone set red by 60% of nullsec, I feel safer in nullsec than wspace because everyone just docks up.
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2013-01-20 04:42:18 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
I expressed similar views a while back and it hasn't changed.

These huge Alliances/Coalitions with their ridiculous entry requirements are destroying this game.

It's harder to join an established Alliance in EVE than to obtain your Hazmat endorsement for your license IRL. Seriously. I've done both. I can compare.

I'm personally on my out way of this game. I've tried and tried but this Oligarchical system in EVE is annoying and lame. A FEW people control everything in this game and even the Devs cater to them. This game belongs to Montolio and MIttani and yes, even as a TEST member, I'm tired of it. Even in this so-called stupid ass "broship" between Goons and Test, I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.

I'm done being PC and doing Damage control for HBC/CFC. You guys are NOT helpful to new players. You are NOT inclusive. You can spew that BS to people on the outside, but not to me. Your corps consist of either ALTs of members, RL friends or people you goaded into trying EVE from your dumbass member sites (SA/Reddit). People like myself on the inside who dare to shake things up and have a mind of their own are shunned and forced out. I don't even bother posting on Test forums anymore because of how hated I am simply for not being an ass kisser. That's how it is in these large Alliances. They don't want PEOPLE. They want robots.

Smaller groups need to band together to take this game back. Nulli, NC etc. HBC/CFC are DESTROYING this game. this big blob crap is not sustainable. 75% of null being blue to each other is crap and ruins EVE.

Any of you HBC flunkies see this post and want to go tattle and get me booted, feel free, I just don't give a damn anymore. I am sick and damned TIRED of this crap. It's like I'm in f'kin High School again....I don't want to have to deal with some BS popularity contest just to be able to have fun in an Alliance.

You vets attack carebears day in and day out for "not realizing that EVE is a PVP game". Why don't you guys have anything to say to the folks who go and blue up 75% of null sec??? Isn't THAT negating the pvp aspect of eve???

I've said it before and I'll say it again: As a null seccer I feel SAFER in null sec than I do in HIGH or LOW sec.


I friend.

This is the culture in TEST you're experiencing. There's no community, just a bunch of nerds trying to one up each other and get an upvote.

Everyone trying to out-do the next person to become e-famous and get rep. This is why it's so divided amongst your leadership.

It's not the same in other alliances. It's just very ingrained into your culture.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#79 - 2013-01-20 04:47:57 UTC
Dasola wrote:
0.0 need work, lots of it. Problem is ccp has no damn clue how to fix things. Personally i would start by removeing local, make it service you actually have to pay for concord. make it not be cheap. 100 mil/month atleast... This also fixes the eternal: OMG AFK Cloaker on Local-problem.


"removing local removes the blob. how? i don't know it just does"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#80 - 2013-01-20 04:48:35 UTC
Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:


Yes, the apps and the out-of-game comms are a nice addition to the game, however, this does not change that null-sec is still largely empty and really only profitable for a select few.

Anyone who isn't in the "In-crowd" will never make it far given the current circumstances of 0.0. Eve is an MMO, shouldn't it reward more than a handful of people?

This has nothing to do with the intent of any individual in null sec.

It's entirely the fault of the way that systems are upgraded and how content is dispersed in null.

There's hunreds of thousands of characters in high sec, that's not the case in null.

Most of null is basically a bunch of high sec systems with no mission agents, explorable sites, and crappy belts. High sec has the luxury of being rather densely populated, so even crappy systems will have a couple of people them, but you can still find systems that are empty.

You can't expect people to be hanging out in a system that has nothing to do in it.

NPC null isn't empty, coinsidentally, there's content in those systems. Where to you find level 4 and 5 missions.

If anything, what we should be able to learn from looking at the state of null sec, it's that people want to do more than just PvP.
CCP needs to give null sec the ability to upgrade a system to have mission agents.

Industrial upgrades can include distribution and mining agents.
Military upgrades woud include security agents.

Make the payout less than NPC null.
NPC null should always have the highest level of reward for running agents in that space.


I really wish people would stop trying to give the impression that we're doing something wrong in null.

Really now, wtf "in crowd" is it that I'm missing out on, whle I make billions in null.
I get it. Moons. OMG! They're squeezing me out, those dirty dictators not sharing!
No. Not really.

That stuff isn't designed around the majority doing, and null players are pretty vocal about wanting CCP to change the moon mechanics so that it's a bottom up industry instead of top down.



Seriously, if you know how things in null work then you're intentionally being misleading when you write stuff like you did.
If you don't know how things work, then that's just absolutely ******* stupid of you to even get involved in a conversation about what's causing any situation in null.

I mean, you guys write this stuff as if CCP will read it and suddenly think the game is functioning in some way other than how they designed it. It's actually kind of insulting that you think the developers are that dumb.