Market Discussions

Not in a discussion the amount of ISK sunk via LP stores, unless you are claiming that significant amounts of LP were left unredeemed to prevent over-supply.

Do you have anything to present that suggests that any significant amount of LP was left unredeemed?

My only point was that he said that 4 items were created for the same cost, and you said that was incorrect. He was indeed correct that at tier 5, you could buy 4 items at the cost of tier 3 (the other LP stores). So when someone cashed out at T5, they could buy 4 times the amount of implants as someone buying it from Emperor Family.

Sorry to go off topic, just wanted that cleared up :P

Well there were suggestions for dealing with other faucets, i was wondering if he had ideas about dealing with that one. 10T/mo according to two step's blog.

Eliminating bluebooks would be away too harsh thing to do and they are a good payout mechanic IMHO
it takes ALOT of work (logistics) to move them out. If CCP where to do the 10% across the board bounty reduction
that CCP soundwave suggested then it'd be fair to hit it too in kind. CCP though after the hamfisted Incursion hammering seems to be backing away from simply taking the ISK away with hardening of site's content thru adding DPS or changing the AI to reduce income. So far WH sleepersites have been untouched for a couple years. I bet though if POS's where revamped to allow T3's to change modules WH residents would gladly in exchange suffer thru sleepersite reworks that reduced thier ISK faucet there.

2 and a half suggestions:

1 Insurance Payouts. Don't pour the ISK directly into a players wallet anymore. Instead, give him an option to collect a ship at a reduced rate, through the 'redeem items' venue. This will turn off the faucet and actually sink a few ISK along the way. Kill two birds with one stone. Double impact and all that.

2 Make implants an NPC item. Aside from the LP conversion, they are essentially a sink the second you install them anyway, as they cannot be removed or resold. Place them in limited locations, so marketers can still work them over if they wish.

2.5 Choose other small market items to add to the NPC retail chain. Items that will affect a very small portion of the *jobs* in EVE.

I stress *small* items, *small* changes, because I believe in baby steps first.


1A. Insurance payouts/reimbursements could potentially be higher with this system.
My reasoning is this:
Insurance used to pay better. On a Raven for instance, Ship cost + insurance + rigs + fittings used to be like...135 million. Insurance payed out 106 million or so, and the loss was just about the cost of rigs only. Myself, I exploded ships freely, because the loss was not that painful.
I notice that ships cost so much these days, players are afraid to risk them. EvE has turned into 'Frigates Online' in recent years. Which results in much less asset loss.


Long post. Almost 2 different topics. Hope you see where I was comeing from.

While you're probably technically right about the LP sink (due to Sreegs' continued actions against bots), you can't or at least shouldn't make any assumptions whatsoever regarding isk sinks in general just because skill books have dropped in size as a sink.

I really hope that isn't accredited.

This is why i will give you half my votes, because you are actually competent.




That's why we need to gank exhumers

I'd do it by boiling frogs.

Start with mission reward -> LP. Similarly, have Tier officer drops give Concord LP rather than cash.

Nerf insurance by edging up the prices of insurance, and declining to cover self-destruction. I dont think you could simply refuse to insure ships in Null, but a man can dream, right ?

Bring back drone poo rather than bounties.

Nerf Hub isk income by dropping the bounty payments, but compensate by having the miniboss always appear and dropping an appropriate Tier officer drop.

I'd increase manufacturing slots by making the cost dynamic - the more manufacturing/ME/whatever slots are in use in a station, the higher the price goes.

Oh, and on insurance ... this one's radical. Replace the cash component with less cash plus Concord loyalty points.

Officers pay a lot more in bounty than regular rats but are so rare as to be a drop in the bucket, so taking away their bounty isn't really going to do anything.


I think insurance ought to go away entirely, but I'm not really sure.


No. The addition of bounties to the drone regions probably added a trillion or so a month to the total faucet that is bounties, but that's a relatively small increase compared to the total size of that faucet. Moreover, drone poo pretty much prevents any attempt at making mining worth doing in null.


The more general theme here of replacing some of the bounty in nullsec with some kind of loot is a good one. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to make it officer loot, however.


This already happens, though the effect is miniscule. Jita 4-4 is probably the most heavily used station in empire and it costs a mere 807 isk per hour (up from 333 base). The vast majority of other stations are the base 333 isk/hr. The problem is not that costs don't scale (although it certainly could and should scale more like the way offices do), but that they're ridiculously low to begin with, thus my proposal back on page 1: Change it from isk/hour to a flat percentage of estimated value of input. That allows the total size of the sink to grow (considerably) without doing something silly like making really cheap, fast to build modules cost more in build fees than the module is actually worth.