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What If CCP Has The Wrong Idea?

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Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#81 - 2013-01-19 23:29:43 UTC
If this was already mentioned, then my apologies, but does everyone have short memories here?

Just to put this thread in a bit of context, in a previous thread the opening poster stated that he had allowed a member of goonswarm into his corp. You can probably guess what happened, when he went out to mission with his new goonswarm corp mate his navy raven got blown up. To which the OP kicked everyone in his corp for his own stupid mistake, including the new players a little more than a few weeks old. He then proceeded to make a long whine thread how this wasn't fair and that this shouldn't happen, despite the fact everyone pointed out to him that CCP pretty much states that Eve is a dark unforgiving place where spies and espionage is common place.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=188097

So this thread just sounds like more whining from the OP to me. OP please leave the game as CCP is never going to change this to WOW in space just for you.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#82 - 2013-01-19 23:47:17 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
If this was already mentioned, then my apologies, but does everyone have short memories here?

Just to put this thread in a bit of context, in a previous thread the opening poster stated that he had allowed a member of goonswarm into his corp. You can probably guess what happened, when he went out to mission with his new goonswarm corp mate his navy raven got blown up. To which the OP kicked everyone in his corp for his own stupid mistake, including the new players a little more than a few weeks old. He then proceeded to make a long whine thread how this wasn't fair and that this shouldn't happen, despite the fact everyone pointed out to him that CCP pretty much states that Eve is a dark unforgiving place where spies and espionage is common place.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=188097

So this thread just sounds like more whining from the OP to me. OP please leave the game as CCP is never going to change this to WOW in space just for you.

Yeah, people like that ... what happened to the poor newbies?

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Xinivrae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2013-01-19 23:57:27 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
If this was already mentioned, then my apologies, but does everyone have short memories here?

Just to put this thread in a bit of context, in a previous thread the opening poster stated that he had allowed a member of goonswarm into his corp. You can probably guess what happened, when he went out to mission with his new goonswarm corp mate his navy raven got blown up. To which the OP kicked everyone in his corp for his own stupid mistake, including the new players a little more than a few weeks old. He then proceeded to make a long whine thread how this wasn't fair and that this shouldn't happen, despite the fact everyone pointed out to him that CCP pretty much states that Eve is a dark unforgiving place where spies and espionage is common place.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=188097

So this thread just sounds like more whining from the OP to me. OP please leave the game as CCP is never going to change this to WOW in space just for you.


Now it makes sense. Geez, why can't people just learn from their mistakes instead of demanding that the game be changed to suit them?
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-01-20 02:39:45 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
What if CCP is building a game that isn't what people want to play? I keep playing because there are parts of the game I like, even though I don't like most of it. After reading the CSM7 Meeting Minutes, it appears that CCP is responsible for a lot of the things I don't like.

Originally, I blamed the problem on the players, but, after the CSM7 meeting, I think I'm starting to see where the real problem lies.

As developers of the game, they can take it in any direction they want as long as people are still willing to pay for it. But are they even headed in the direction that will make them the most money?

They mention, periodically, that they have 100s of thousands of players, but the information on paying subscribers seems to be hard to find. What are the chances that they are counting the thousands of trial accounts that have expired as 'players', or the three accounts I have that I shut down? Figuring out how many paying subscribers they have should be trivial, but I've never seen it mentioned anywhere.

Sorry for getting side-tracked there. The real issue is, are they ignoring the options that would make this game more accessible and more desirable to more people, and to us, the active players?

Do they still have the Incarna mindset? That what the players want doesn't matter?


I see that stats there are more people playing sinds start why is that because the game is that bad? So people want that. Nah the are doing a great job so far offcourse not all change is great however there is a bigger picture that only you,
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#85 - 2013-01-20 02:58:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Not Politically Correct
Wow! You guys just noticed the other thread, listed on the same page? A bunch of budding Sherlock Holmeses. Unfortunately, you didn't read enough of it. Short attention spans? Hmmm. There's medication for that.

Don't know what WoW is. Never played it, so the reference means nothing.

You obviously have only read the parts of this thread that you wanted to as well.

I'm sorry, but opinions like yours are not the ones I am interested in. Try looking for the posts that agree with me. There aren't many, but are we the crazy ones? I wouldn't keep posting if I thought we were.

The original post was a question, not a declaration. As ususal, in the Eve Forums, more commonly known as Fight Pits, most of the responses have been irrelevant, meaningless, or obvious knee-jerk reactions.

People, save yourself some time. If you don't like the thread, ignore it.

Believe me, a whole lot of things will have to change before CCP moves it's peanut brain, and elephant butt into a new track.

EDIT: Oh, more people playing since the game started? I don't think I need to comment on that.
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#86 - 2013-01-20 03:21:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Karak Terrel
Not Politically Correct wrote:

Don't know what WoW is. Never played it, so the reference means nothing.

You should try it. I don't think you "get" what EVE is and you probably never will because:
Not Politically Correct wrote:

I'm sorry, but opinions like yours are not the ones I am interested in

So why don't you give me all your ISK and contract me all your stuff and spare us yet another whining post about how bad you are at this game.
Xinivrae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2013-01-20 03:41:29 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
The original post was a question, not a declaration.


That's not true at all, you just said so.

Quote:
I'm sorry, but opinions like yours are not the ones I am interested in. Try looking for the posts that agree with me. There aren't many, but are we the crazy ones? I wouldn't keep posting if I thought we were.


You're just looking for people to agree with you. To quote you further

Quote:
You obviously have only read the parts of this thread that you wanted to as well.

People, save yourself some time. If you don't like the thread, ignore it.


Wow, looks like it goes both ways, huh?

This isn't general statements or general hug box. It's general discussion, an exchange between parties, and you're not listening to the other side. Heck, even the people who had empathy for you in the other thread told you to learn from it and move on.
Nico elScorpio
Care Bear Hi Sec Industries
#88 - 2013-01-20 03:41:52 UTC
I wanna play a game that is exactly how the creators want it to be. When i don't like it that way (any more), i just leave.

Obviously a lot of people (including me) like EvE how CCP wants it to be.

Things evolve and change all the time, change causes uncertainty, uncertainty causes fear for a lot of people ("I don't want to lose what i got please nooo!!").

Just understand your own Psychology and take things, that you cannot influence, as they are. Why all the negativity?
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#89 - 2013-01-20 03:52:20 UTC
Karak Terrel wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:

Don't know what WoW is. Never played it, so the reference means nothing.

You should try it. I don't think you "get" what EVE is and you probably never will because:
Not Politically Correct wrote:

I'm sorry, but opinions like yours are not the ones I am interested in

So why don't you give me all your ISK and contract me all your stuff and spare us yet another whining post about how bad you are at this game.


I've been playing since July of 2009. Not sure about you, but I'm still hanging on, and making ISK. I'm just not enjoying it as much as I used to. :)
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#90 - 2013-01-20 03:56:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Not Politically Correct
Xinivrae, you are irrelevant.

Other poster, why sit here, like a rock, and endure something that could be a good game turn into a bad game, when there is something that can be done about it?

I don't play any other online games, or any other games of any type, as I have said many times. Why would I leave this one instead of trying to make it better?

EDIT: Is that the way you address all problems? If you run into one, run away? Sorry, I'm not that kind of person.
Nico elScorpio
Care Bear Hi Sec Industries
#91 - 2013-01-20 04:19:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Nico elScorpio
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Xinivrae, you are irrelevant.

Other poster, why sit here, like a rock, and endure something that could be a good game turn into a bad game, when there is something that can be done about it?

I don't play any other online games, or any other games of any type, as I have said many times. Why would I leave this one instead of trying to make it better?

EDIT: Is that the way you address all problems? If you run into one, run away? Sorry, I'm not that kind of person.


It's not running away it's understanding some elementary basics:

1. "good" and "bad" doesn't exists. those are personal opinions, therefore more or less illusions. whats bad for you is good for someone else and the other way round

2. people always tried to make things "better". in other words to turn them into something they find more attractive. but maybe its losing attraction for somebody else then. who shall be attracted more? you? why?

3. A lot of valuable feedback is raining down on CCP every day, why not trust them to just take the things into account they want to use for their vision of the game and reject others they don't? They made this thing man! they know most about it and they have the bigger picture most single players cannot have!

4. "running away" in this case is just looking for something else that fits your persona more, your needs and requirements. The world is rich mate, why trying to change stuff instead of exploring it and trying too find somehting that suits you way better?

see its not about accepting everything, its about how you communicate. is it complaining and whining and somelike like "its bad, its getting worse, that has to improve..." or is it just constructive like "this and that could improve a situtation that in my opinion could be more pleasurable for more people than only me.."

.. and mate, in the end everything is a matter of attitude, things shine when you see em shine Cool
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#92 - 2013-01-20 04:26:28 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
What if CCP is building a game that isn't what people want to play? I keep playing because there are parts of the game I like, even though I don't like most of it. After reading the CSM7 Meeting Minutes, it appears that CCP is responsible for a lot of the things I don't like.
Well, duh. They're also responsible for the things you do like.

Don't like a lot of things... and yet, here you are, posting about the game you claim to not like very much. Seems to me that CCP has your number down cold.

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Red Maiden
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2013-01-20 04:28:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Red Maiden
Pretty easy thread to summarize:

CCP: The company who created and guided an MMORPG to 10 years of success in a highly-competitive industry. An industry that kills weak games and companies without mercy.

OP: A bitter player who has accomplished nothing in the gaming industry but thinks he knows more about what CCP should do than CCP itself. When he quits EVE, he'll proclaim that the game is dead to make himself feel better about himself.

Haven't we seen this thread a thousand times before?
Xinivrae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2013-01-20 04:29:50 UTC
Red Maiden wrote:
Pretty easy thread to summarize:

CCP: The company who created and guided an MMORPG to 10 years of success in a highly-competitive industry. An industry that kills weak games and companies without mercy.

OP: A bitter player who has accomplished nothing in the gaming industry but thinks he knows more about what CCP should do than CCP itself. When he quits EVE, he'll proclaim that the game is dead to make himself feel better about himself.

Haven't we seen this thread a thousand times before?


But don't you see? This one "gets" it.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#95 - 2013-01-20 04:40:16 UTC
Nico elScorpio wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Xinivrae, you are irrelevant.

Other poster, why sit here, like a rock, and endure something that could be a good game turn into a bad game, when there is something that can be done about it?

I don't play any other online games, or any other games of any type, as I have said many times. Why would I leave this one instead of trying to make it better?

EDIT: Is that the way you address all problems? If you run into one, run away? Sorry, I'm not that kind of person.


It's not running away it's understanding some elementary basics:

1. "good" and "bad" doesn't exists. those are personal opinions, therefore more or less illusions. whats bad for you is good for someone else and the other way round

2. people always tried to make things "better". in other words to turn them into something they find more attractive. but maybe its losing attraction for somebody else then. who shall be attracted more? you? why?

3. A lot of valuable feedback is raining down on CCP every day, why not trust them to just take the things into account they want to use for their vision of the game and reject others they don't? They made this thing man! they know most about it and they have the bigger picture most single players cannot have!

4. "running away" in this case is just looking for something else that fits your persona more, your needs and requirements. The world is rich mate, why trying to change stuff instead of exploring it and trying too find somehting that suits you way better?

see its not about accepting everything, its about how you communicate. is it complaining and whining and somelike like "its bad, its getting worse, that has to improve..." or is it just constructive like "this and that could improve a situtation that in my opinion could be more pleasurable for more people than only me.."

.. and mate, in the end everything is a matter of attitude, things shine when you see em shine Cool


CCP ignores feedback. That's the whole point of this thread.

I am not capable of running away from problems. If something needs to be fixed, I do the best I can to fix it.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#96 - 2013-01-20 04:41:43 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
What if CCP is building a game that isn't what people want to play? I keep playing because there are parts of the game I like, even though I don't like most of it. After reading the CSM7 Meeting Minutes, it appears that CCP is responsible for a lot of the things I don't like.
Well, duh. They're also responsible for the things you do like.

Don't like a lot of things... and yet, here you are, posting about the game you claim to not like very much. Seems to me that CCP has your number down cold.


I want them to change it so that I do like it, AGAIN. Did you miss that part?
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#97 - 2013-01-20 04:42:45 UTC
Red Maiden wrote:
Pretty easy thread to summarize:

CCP: The company who created and guided an MMORPG to 10 years of success in a highly-competitive industry. An industry that kills weak games and companies without mercy.

OP: A bitter player who has accomplished nothing in the gaming industry but thinks he knows more about what CCP should do than CCP itself. When he quits EVE, he'll proclaim that the game is dead to make himself feel better about himself.

Haven't we seen this thread a thousand times before?


Not planning to quit in your lifetime. :)
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#98 - 2013-01-20 04:43:10 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
What if CCP is building a game that isn't what people want to play? I keep playing because there are parts of the game I like, even though I don't like most of it. After reading the CSM7 Meeting Minutes, it appears that CCP is responsible for a lot of the things I don't like.
Well, duh. They're also responsible for the things you do like.

Don't like a lot of things... and yet, here you are, posting about the game you claim to not like very much. Seems to me that CCP has your number down cold.


I want them to change it so that I do like it, AGAIN. Did you miss that part?

Did you miss my point? You're here, you're still playing the game. CCP has no incentive to change things to suit you.

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#99 - 2013-01-20 04:52:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Not Politically Correct
silens vesica wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
What if CCP is building a game that isn't what people want to play? I keep playing because there are parts of the game I like, even though I don't like most of it. After reading the CSM7 Meeting Minutes, it appears that CCP is responsible for a lot of the things I don't like.
Well, duh. They're also responsible for the things you do like.

Don't like a lot of things... and yet, here you are, posting about the game you claim to not like very much. Seems to me that CCP has your number down cold.


I want them to change it so that I do like it, AGAIN. Did you miss that part?

Did you miss my point? You're here, you're still playing the game. CCP has no incentive to change things to suit you.


So I should quit the game rather than trying to get some support to make them change it? I think I read about that once in 'Tactics Of Failure'.

EDIT: I've already shut down three of my accounts. CCP didn't care about that either. Aren't you interested in having the game better for YOU?
Xinivrae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2013-01-20 05:00:48 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Aren't you interested in having the game better for YOU?


Of course they are, why do you think they're disagreeing with you? Hmm... Perplexing...