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Understanding Reward

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Xenuria
#1 - 2013-01-19 22:31:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria

Project: Risk vs Reward – Part 1



What is this project about?
This project is a serious and passionate attempt to better understand Risk vs Reward as it exists currently on tranquility. If I can back up my future CSM 8 campaign platform with actual research and data then my chances of being elected should be higher.

Why do you care so much about PVE content?

The fact is a large percentage of people who play eve participate in what can be seen as PVE content. I think there have been and will continue to be plenty of CSM candidates that understand the PVP aspects of EVE far better than I do. The logic is that I should stick to my strengths instead of trying to appeal to an audience that I lack the experience to adequately support.

What do you plan to do?
I plan to collect data and make some observations. The end goal is to understand Risk vs Reward on an intimate enough level that I can form ideas and concepts about the potential improvement of the existing system.

-Things I need-


  • Metrics on how much standing any given mission gives, the formula that takes skills and agent/corp/faction standing into account.

  • Detailed information on the new Ai and how it is different (if at all), between the type of rat or encounter, etc.

  • Volunteers to fill out surveys

  • Volunteers to shares their experiences and opinions in the context of PVE content in EVE

  • Volunteers to test some specific scenarios (Example: Encounter 4 with Ship B, Fitted with Fitting C, etc)



Edit:
there seems to now be some confusion about where my data is going to come from. the answer is players. With the exception of information that players cannot possibly know. The majority of my data will come from players meaning I need to have volunteers.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#2 - 2013-01-19 22:33:53 UTC
So basically you're asking for information from others to present in your own campaign... how can you stand behind numbers you did not collect and verify yourself?

/c

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Xenuria
#3 - 2013-01-19 22:35:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Chribba wrote:
So basically you're asking for information from others to present in your own campaign... how can you stand behind numbers you did not collect and verify yourself?

/c


You did not read my whole post it seems.
I plan on collecting a large amount of data but I can't really do that with a population of 1 person. What kind of research are you used to reading?

When you do research on... well anything directly involving people you need to have a population of people that you are collecting data from. If you only collect data from 1 person then your research is trash and nobody will pay attention to it. I need other people to answers questions and fill out surveys.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-01-19 22:36:52 UTC
Chribba wrote:
So basically you're asking for information from others to present in your own campaign... how can you stand behind numbers you did not collect and verify yourself?

/c

Burn


Plus I came for another random funny-hat video. Disappointed.
Xenuria
#5 - 2013-01-19 22:38:23 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
Chribba wrote:
So basically you're asking for information from others to present in your own campaign... how can you stand behind numbers you did not collect and verify yourself?

/c

Burn


Plus I came for another random funny-hat video. Disappointed.


How is that a burn? He clearly has misunderstood me or has not the slightest idea of how actual research works. You cannot just collect data from a single person and call it a day. That is NOT how research works.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#6 - 2013-01-19 22:45:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Chribba
Xenuria wrote:
Chribba wrote:
So basically you're asking for information from others to present in your own campaign... how can you stand behind numbers you did not collect and verify yourself?

/c


You did not read my whole post it seems.
I plan on collecting a large amount of data but I can't really do that with a population of 1 person. What kind of research are you used to reading?

When you do research on... well anything you need to have a population of people that you are collecting data from. If you only collect data from 1 person then your research is trash and nobody will pay attention to it. I need other people to answers questions and fill out surveys.

I ready the whole post, and I see five things where you ask for external information;

Quote:
[-Things I need-

Metrics on how much standing any given mission gives, the formula that takes skills and agent/corp/faction standing into account.

Detailed information on the new Ai and how it is different (if at all), between the type of rat or encounter, etc.

Volunteers to fill out surveys

Volunteers to shares their experiences and opinions in the context of PVE content in EVE

Volunteers to test some specific scenarios (Example: Encounter 4 with Ship B, Fitted with Fitting C, etc)

Hence, I am asking how you can verify and stand behind said things fully in your campaign. You mention you plan to collect data, but do not give any insight on how you plan to collect this data yourself.

I'm not out to torpedo your campaign in any way, as a citizen of New Eden, I just care about being able to vote for someone I feel stand for her or his word, and not a "word" collected by unknown entities.

While I'm sure overall info gathered could be valid, I'm just concerned of the screening process of said information if said candidate has no relevant knowledge on screening it. See my point?

I wish you the best in your campaign and I look very much forward to any campaign video if you choose to release one Smile (got to admit it's mainly because of Snape bc you got tha going for you hehe)

Keep up the good work!

/c

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#7 - 2013-01-19 22:47:12 UTC
Chribba wrote:
So basically you're asking for information from others to present in your own campaign... how can you stand behind numbers you did not collect and verify yourself?

/c


Xenuria 2013: So bad, even Chribba trolls his campaign.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Xenuria
#8 - 2013-01-19 22:48:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Chribba wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Chribba wrote:
So basically you're asking for information from others to present in your own campaign... how can you stand behind numbers you did not collect and verify yourself?

/c


You did not read my whole post it seems.
I plan on collecting a large amount of data but I can't really do that with a population of 1 person. What kind of research are you used to reading?

When you do research on... well anything you need to have a population of people that you are collecting data from. If you only collect data from 1 person then your research is trash and nobody will pay attention to it. I need other people to answers questions and fill out surveys.

I ready the whole post, and I see five things where you ask for external information;

Quote:
[-Things I need-

Metrics on how much standing any given mission gives, the formula that takes skills and agent/corp/faction standing into account.

Detailed information on the new Ai and how it is different (if at all), between the type of rat or encounter, etc.

Volunteers to fill out surveys

Volunteers to shares their experiences and opinions in the context of PVE content in EVE

Volunteers to test some specific scenarios (Example: Encounter 4 with Ship B, Fitted with Fitting C, etc)

Hence, I am asking how you can verify and stand behind said things fully in your campaign. You mention you plan to collect data, but do not give any insight on how you plan to collect this data yourself.

I'm not out to torpedo your campaign in any way, as a citizen of New Eden, I just care about being able to vote for someone I feel stand for her or his word, and not a "word" collected by unknown entities.

While I'm sure overall info gathered could be valid, I'm just concerned of the screening process of said information if said candidate has no relevant knowledge on screening it. See my point?

I wish you the best in your campaign and I look very much forward to any campaign video if you choose to release one Smile (got to admit it's mainly because of Snape bc you got tha going for you hehe)

Keep up the good work!

/c


Nice Damage Control, Is that a tech 2?

Seriously though, I think I spelled it out pretty well if you bothered to actually "ready" it.


For anybody that is actually legitimately confused and not just trying to start an argument for the sake of trolling then please post any questions you have in this thread.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#9 - 2013-01-19 22:51:03 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Chribba wrote:
So basically you're asking for information from others to present in your own campaign... how can you stand behind numbers you did not collect and verify yourself?

/c


You did not read my whole post it seems.
I plan on collecting a large amount of data but I can't really do that with a population of 1 person. What kind of research are you used to reading?

When you do research on... well anything you need to have a population of people that you are collecting data from. If you only collect data from 1 person then your research is trash and nobody will pay attention to it. I need other people to answers questions and fill out surveys.

I ready the whole post, and I see five things where you ask for external information;

Quote:
[-Things I need-

Metrics on how much standing any given mission gives, the formula that takes skills and agent/corp/faction standing into account.

Detailed information on the new Ai and how it is different (if at all), between the type of rat or encounter, etc.

Volunteers to fill out surveys

Volunteers to shares their experiences and opinions in the context of PVE content in EVE

Volunteers to test some specific scenarios (Example: Encounter 4 with Ship B, Fitted with Fitting C, etc)

Hence, I am asking how you can verify and stand behind said things fully in your campaign. You mention you plan to collect data, but do not give any insight on how you plan to collect this data yourself.

I'm not out to torpedo your campaign in any way, as a citizen of New Eden, I just care about being able to vote for someone I feel stand for her or his word, and not a "word" collected by unknown entities.

While I'm sure overall info gathered could be valid, I'm just concerned of the screening process of said information if said candidate has no relevant knowledge on screening it. See my point?

I wish you the best in your campaign and I look very much forward to any campaign video if you choose to release one Smile (got to admit it's mainly because of Snape bc you got tha going for you hehe)

Keep up the good work!

/c


Nice Damage Control, Is that a tech 2?

Seriously though, I think I spelled it out pretty well if you bothered to actually "ready" it.
Dmage control what? If you interpret my explanation of my concerns regarding a CSM candidate collecting external information, I apologize, maybe you are not my vote.

/c

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Xenuria
#10 - 2013-01-19 22:54:02 UTC
Chribba I realize you are a respected member of the community but I am going to have to ask you regardless to stop trolling my thread. I am going to do my best to ignore any blatantly obvious trolling.
Rengerel en Distel
#11 - 2013-01-19 22:55:44 UTC
Yeah, I don't see how Chribba could possibly be someone that knows how to collect data together to research something ... It's also really good form that the first person who questions you, you attack off the bat, and point out one typo.

Good luck showing you can work with people, when your first instinct is to attack someone like Chribba.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-01-19 22:56:14 UTC
Also, please refrain from throwing out really bad Eve puns? Thanks CSM candidate.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#13 - 2013-01-19 22:57:07 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Chribba I realize you are a respected member of the community but I am going to have to ask you regardless to stop trolling my thread. I am going to do my best to ignore any blatantly obvious trolling.

tbh I'm not trolling at all, I was raising my direct thoughts.

I will respect your wishes and this is the last post you will see from me in this thread.

/c

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Xenuria
#14 - 2013-01-19 22:59:19 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Yeah, I don't see how Chribba could possibly be someone that knows how to collect data together to research something ... It's also really good form that the first person who questions you, you attack off the bat, and point out one typo.

Good luck showing you can work with people, when your first instinct is to attack someone like Chribba.


I am not sure if you are trolling but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Chribba is questioning the integrity of my research on the grounds that I am not collecting my own data. The original post clearly explains that I will be doing just that, collecting data. You really cannot do research without collecting data. I said already that I plan to collect data from a number of different sources most of them involving players. I am on the fence however as to which survey service I want to use.
hyhn
Iynx Teledyne Armory
The Chogo Ri Commonwealth
#15 - 2013-01-19 23:14:41 UTC
well I hope this not how you plan to deal with any other data that does not support your preconceived notions of what eve pve should be.

You would have done better to acknowledge that data collected from parts unknown might contain bias and perhaps asked him/others if there might be clever way to mitigate against this.

Starting off your campaign by ignoring one of the most trusted voices in game, labeling him as a troll, and squelching out dissent does not leave the rest of us with much hope that you would be a proper advocate.

just my 0.02 isk

h-
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#16 - 2013-01-19 23:18:40 UTC
Btw, Xenuria, have you learned how resists and EHP work yet?
Xenuria
#17 - 2013-01-19 23:19:04 UTC
hyhn wrote:
well I hope this not how you plan to deal with any other data that does not support your preconceived notions of what eve pve should be.

You would have done better to acknowledge that data collected from parts unknown might contain bias and perhaps asked him/others if there might be clever way to mitigate against this.

Starting off your campaign by ignoring one of the most trusted voices in game, labeling him as a troll, and squelching out dissent does not leave the rest of us with much hope that you would be a proper advocate.

just my 0.02 isk

h-


Define parts unknown. When and where did I say that I would be collecting data from parts unknown?
The reason I came down hard on chribba for trolling was because now a bunch of other people are confused about something that shouldn't be confusing at all.

Allow me to clarify once again. I am collecting data from players because players are the demographic of interest here. There is always a chance for bias but before you make such a accusation you should at least have some backing to the claim.
Damage Control I
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-01-19 23:20:38 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Nice Damage Control


I am here to confirm I have not been activated to defend Chribba's posting.
Gorn Arming
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-01-19 23:27:03 UTC
Never change, Xenuria.
Xenuria
#20 - 2013-01-19 23:27:33 UTC
Damage Control I wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Nice Damage Control


I am here to confirm I have not been activated to defend Chribba's posting.

Maybe I am being too harsh, what may be clear as day and obvious to me is possible not so obvious to people who aren't familiar with research methods. I just get frustrated when people ask questions I already answered explicitly in the OP.
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