EVE General Discussion

I guess that is supposed to mean something to me. Sorry. It doesn't.

No one wants to play by themselves except maybe miners.

CCP has to pay the bills somehow and if enough people quit without new subsciprtions then they have to lay off developers which results in less expansion which results in less players which result in a handful of people playing by themselves before they shut down the server.

If you like eve and understand the position CCP is in, you have to understand they need to replace subscription losses some how.

How they go about it is completly up to CCP and the people who own the company.

SImply whining in the forums that CCP shouldn't try to get new subscriptions won't fly because its suicidal for CCP to attempt to simply keep the status quo.

I'm not saying CCP should turn EvE into WoW, but they have to constantly change the game to keep it fresh or people will eventually get bored and quit the game.

Its what they have been doing for the past 10 years and will most likley continue to change the game as they see fit.

The only competitor to EvE, is EvE itself.

The secret to increase subs? Deliver more awesome patches like Apochrypha (and even Retribution, cruisers pew pew speaking) and less garbage like Dominion and Tyrannis and they are set to success.

You are right, unfortunately, about Eve being it's only competitor. That's actually pretty sad. No incentive to change their mindset.

I don't agree that more shiney upgrades are going to save the game, though. It appears to me, and maybe me only, that when CCP reaches their goal, whatever that is, we're all going to be neck deep in faeces in an uninhabitable universe. Then the games of 'Russin Sleigh Ride' will start, excpet that people will be volunteering to be thrown to the wolves.

Welcome to 21st century capitalism.

By law, publicly owned companies are suppose to everything within the law (and in legal gray areas) to maximize profit in order to give a return to shareholders.

This means doing bad things like laying off hard working employees, shipping production overseas to basically slave labor conditions, exploting tax loopholes, and basically get away with any morally questionable behaviores they can get away with in order to maximize profit.

Don't like it. Vote with your wallet and watch how you can't buy basically anythign worth a damn.

Chances are your computer was made in a factory in China where they basically poop on the employees rights and pay them wages that are a crime.

Also chances are the hard drive you have was made in Thailand which is notorious for freedom of speach violations of its citizens (can't talk bad about the king).

By the fact you have a computer means you are complicit with both the Chinese and Thailandese authoritarian governments and support corporations who sole duty is to maximize profits. (I'm guilty too obviously if that matters.)

Guess what we can talk about how bad it is (I'd vote socialist if they were viable parties) but you are just as guilty as the next person for buying the products.

CCP is a privatley held company so its only beholden two its owners which according wikipedia is Navator Partners and Geeral Catalyst Partners which the former specializes in telecommunications, pharmaceuticals and financial services and the later is a venture capital firm.

Those two companies don't care about whines on the forums. They want a return on their invesment and if CCP does poorly they will start pulling the strings just like any other business owners who want their invesment return.

Its simply the fact of capitalism.

You're talking about a side issue. The discussion is about CCP's focus. Is it right. Are they headed in the right direction. I certainly don't think so.

EDIT: I don't think they are headed in the right direction for either CCP or the players.

You're so right. I'm glad you came to this place to enlighten us poor, ignorant sheeple with this new, original perspective. Really.

This I agree with, but I'm not trying to get at the devs, even they are the most visible part of CCP. I think we need to give the bean counters something to think about.

Change will have to be from top down, but I think change is necessary.

From the meeting notes, it appears that the devs, fow whatever reason, are trying to integrate a single person shooter with a space exploration game, and doing it badly.

The CSM may have been just a clever PR move, especially since they don't really seem to have ANY say in anything, but who are the CSMs? People who have been playing long enough to have enough friends to get them elected. Doesn't that kind of suggest that they have already accepted CCP's focus on development, whether they actually like it or not?

Does CCP ever really look at the reasons that Trial accounts don't turn into subscriptions? I doubt that there is any way to find out why the people who say 'no' do that. I think CCP really ought to care. Admittedly, someone who plays for five minutes and then quits because he got ganked by a can dropper doesn't leave a big footprint behind, but you can't blame him for leaving. Losing his first ship for reasons unknown is not what most people consider fun.

Make highsec safer.

Now we are getting somewhere. Two posts in a row that I totally agree with, and are right on the track of the thread.

I was hoping I wasn't the only one who saw the problems. :)

Ooops, too slow. There's a dissenter in the house.