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What If CCP Has The Wrong Idea?

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Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#41 - 2013-01-19 17:25:06 UTC
Tippia wrote:

Yes. Ask CCP. They publish that number every now and then.


Are you talking about the infamous 450k number? Or is it published somewhere else?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#42 - 2013-01-19 17:27:46 UTC
Nicor Syke'Nexen wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Nicor Syke'Nexen wrote:


but why does it matter?

there's over 50k on right now, and over 25k at the lowest/slowest time of day.

isn't that good enough?


You are confusing the # of players connected to the server with the total number of active (i.e. paid somehow) accounts.

players ≠ accounts





no.

what i'm saying is:

there's still tons of people that play the game, so the number of active accounts is irrelevant to us, the common player.

when the max number of concurrent daily logins drops to the 40-45k range, then maybe it's time for concern.


"Tons of people" does not produce a usable numeric result in my spreadsheet so it's quite relevant to this uncommon player's interests. Blink


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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#43 - 2013-01-19 17:29:12 UTC
Honestly, who cares ?

Really.

As long as there are folks playing the game and there doesn't seem to be any panic wafting from the CCP offices, what the heck does it even matter. Really? Why does it matter ?

Jeez, just play the game.

Log in and make the number higher if that makes you happier.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#44 - 2013-01-19 17:34:54 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Are you talking about the infamous 450k number?
I don't know. What's your source for that number and why is it infamous?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#45 - 2013-01-19 17:41:05 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Are you talking about the infamous 450k number?
I don't know. What's your source for that number and why is it infamous?


This might help in terms of context:
Linky

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#46 - 2013-01-19 17:42:25 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
This might help in terms of context:
Linky
No, not really, since it doesn't tell me where he got the number from or why it's infamous.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#47 - 2013-01-19 17:52:39 UTC
The problem is that I don't really like the way that the game has been going. More precisely, the direction that the game seems to be headed in. I didn't realize until the CSM 7 December Meeting Notes came out, that CCP is the driving force behind many of the things I don't like. I thought that stuff just happened on it's own and CCP didn't care enough to do anything about it.

Thus my post. Do they know what they are doing and the effect it is having? Are they willing to change direction if a better direction is pointed out to them? It doesn't seem that either is true.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#48 - 2013-01-19 17:55:41 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
I didn't realize until the CSM 7 December Meeting Notes came out, that CCP is the driving force behind many of the things I don't like.



You did not realize CCP is the games' creator ? Really ?

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-01-19 18:03:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Tippia wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
This might help in terms of context:
Linky
No, not really, since it doesn't tell me where he got the number from or why it's infamous.

the number comes straight from the horse's own mouth: Linkage

no idea why he considers this number "infamous", though. (maybe because it includes Chinese players?)

CCP also shares subscriber numbers with mmodata.net in a semi-regular fashion.

If you are really worried, you could just go to the Ársreikningaskrá in Reykjavík, get a copy of CCP's annual report and estimate the number of paying subscribers from their revenue (EVE players have done this in the past but not last year; you'd obviously run into issues estimating the number of Chinese and Japanese players using this method).

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Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-01-19 18:15:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarah Schneider
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Another problem is that I spent several years as a contract programmer. First rule is give the client what they ask for as long as it is possible to do that efficiently and profitably.

I've been working as an software analyst, system designer and a project manager for almost 8 years now and I have never been in a situation where I had to satisfy the concerns and needs of multiple thousands of client(s) with different perspective and different tastes. So no, while the "first rule" by what you were saying does apply, it's not in the way that you think it applies.

So, TL;DR, your whole posts can be summed up as this.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2013-01-19 18:19:22 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:


Not publicly I'm sure. Only accounts actively logged in.


Doesn't that kind of make you wonder? If I were providing a service like this, for pay, I would want to know what that number was on an hourly basis, and would base business decisions on it.



I'd assume that's proprietary information reserved by the companies entrusted with said private information to be honest.

I don't wonder who pays ccp or how many people do beyond my own transactions.

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Ginger Barbarella
#52 - 2013-01-19 18:21:51 UTC
I cast my vote for the OP in favor of Bad Post of the Day award today.

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Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#53 - 2013-01-19 18:22:37 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Another problem is that I spent several years as a contract programmer. First rule is give the client what they ask for as long as it is possible to do that efficiently and profitably.

I've been working as an software analyst, system designer and a project manager for almost 8 years now and I have never been in a situation where I had to satisfy the concerns and needs of multiple thousands of client(s) with different perspective and different tastes. So no, while the "first rule" by what you were saying does apply, it's not in the way that you think it applies.

So, TL;DR, your whole posts can be summed up as this.


Your signature line, not included of course, tells me everything I need to know about you.

Programming is programming. It doesn't matter how big the user base is. I've written stuff for use by thousands. All had different perspectives, etc. I did my best to give them what they wanted, not what I wanted or thought they should have. You write for the people who pay you, not for yourself. The software developer's likes and dislikes are irrelevant.
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#54 - 2013-01-19 18:33:08 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Quote:
We aren't talking about privacy laws here, we are talking about account connections.

We are talking privacy laws because the only way for that MAC to be useful would be if the client recorded the MAC of the NIC it uses to connect to the server, and tried to map out the overall network around it so that it can be uniquely identified separately from other NICs that might share the same MAC. Only then could it report back to CCP its identity. That kind of active crawling and mapping out of your private LAN for the purpose of identifying you would quite quickly bash its heads against laws against exactly that kind of thing.

I do programming for doing L2 virtualized networking, and it's damn easy to create multiple interfaces for each client with their own MAC address and different gateway MAC addresses, unable to even trawl the local net for identifying information.

Hell, this is already the case with botters running clients under virtual machines.

Nyan
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#55 - 2013-01-19 19:09:29 UTC
To accurately guess the paying subscriber base they look at the number of people who did indeed pay per month or the number of time codes "consumed' a month.

Accurate numbers usually haven't historically included trial accounts.

If that was the case wow would have 20 million players now, eve around 4 million.

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Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
#56 - 2013-01-19 19:32:58 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:

Programming is programming. It doesn't matter how big the user base is. I've written stuff for use by thousands. All had different perspectives, etc. I did my best to give them what they wanted, not what I wanted or thought they should have. You write for the people who pay you, not for yourself. The software developer's likes and dislikes are irrelevant.


You might be right for business software, where the user dictates the interface and workflow. In this case if you watch the old videos the people who created CCP made "exactly the game we wanted to make", not "hey I bet people will pay for it if we make this".

True that was 10 years ago, but why after they've been doing great all this time should they change for entitled assholes like you?
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#57 - 2013-01-19 19:35:46 UTC
Let me spin this, what if players have the wrong idea?

If CCP has the wrong idea they will go out of business.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#58 - 2013-01-19 19:42:23 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Let me spin this, what if players have the wrong idea?

If CCP has the wrong idea they will go out of business.



Not even Incarna could achieve THAT.

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Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#59 - 2013-01-19 20:28:36 UTC
Mickeysoft (Microsoft) hasn't gone out of business, and everything they have ever released has been garbage. Go figure.
Ginger Barbarella
#60 - 2013-01-19 20:36:29 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Mickeysoft (Microsoft) hasn't gone out of business, and everything they have ever released has been garbage. Go figure.


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