EVE General Discussion

Eve is a complex game that requires a lot a lot a lot of time and trial to understand the game mechanics, all that because CCP is far too lazy to provide a comprehensive online manual.

Through these many years of Eve Online, countless petition and forum posting had demand that Eve solve the problem of grievers, scammers and more detail explanation of the certain game mechanics. For years, instead of looking into the issues CCP both directly and indirectly tell you "Tough luck". Other alternative for players to voice out is to post it in the forum. Instead of getting appropriate respond from CCP, such post will only insulted by older players or be grief further.

For example, issue like Can Flipping. For years, CCP respond was "tough luck" and that they will NEVER change this game mechanics. So why design a Flag system? Is CCP contradicting their years of firm decision that grievers is part of game mechanics?

Can Flipping is only tip of the iceberg. There is so many rules and game mechanics that needed to be explain to players, both old and new. Instead of creating a proper online manual that covers everything about the game mechanics, which they should, CCP relays on external website created by fans and players. I am not saying this is not a good service provide by players. But why is CCP expecting players to do their job? Since they have been expecting players to do their job for them, why they not listening to players? Whenever player voice their concern, CCP would just strike them off bluntly and refer them to external site hosted not by under www.eveonline.com.

Basically, CCP expect players to read every single website talking about game mechanics, while they themselves never reconfirm the advice nor did they take the opportunity to create a comprehensive manual or Q & A. Even when CCP does, they toke the entire explanation to a new level as such, it's rather that CCP kept quite in the 1st place.

1) Issue like Tracking Computer Script. -100% range bonus is actually no bonus nor penalty (as respond by ISD) In that case, why put the -100% bonus to confuse players? This is one of the many unnecessary technical input that CCP made to confuse players.

2) Medical update. No where in CCP website clearly explain to new players that if you get kill each time, you will need a new medical clone. Instead, it say you always needs to update your clone. If English languages is such an issue with CCP, why can't CCP employed a well English educated Technical Designer to their team. Is CCP too poor to employ such caliber of staff? If that's the case then their 100s of thousand of players is not true.

3) Can Flipper. CCP say game mechanics but now it's pirating under the Flag system. Why can't CCP say they haven't found a solution instead they bash back players for voicing out for years.

4) Mission important loot. For years CCP claim game mechanics but now it is forbidden.

5) Gate Guns in low sec. Many players does not know that there is actually gate guns in low sec gate and will shoot any aggressor. Since players entering low sec, pop out box tell you it's lawless but it never tell players that aggression at low gate will be shot at. Again CCP, blame it is game mechanics.

6) Contraband. Drugs and slaves are all consider contraband in all non-pirate space but yet description of slaves as contraband was never indicated in their description nor pop-out box being show when looting. Again CCP call it game mechanics but is obvious CCP having problem to associate slaves as contraband. Instead of fixing the issue, they backfire on players "tough luck".

There are many more issues that when voice out, all CCP and their ISD would do is bash back it is game mechanics. Is that the only reason CCP and their ISD knows how to reply? If there is so many fault in their game mechanics, why isn't CCP fixing it or taking note of it. Moreover, CCP never provide explanation of game mechanics at their main website. If players are to do all the job for CCP why are player paying for the game? CCP would tell you that free is not possible but look at Dust, isn't it free-to-play?

It is obvious that many change, including flag system, is meant for new players to be protected by "game mechanics". Which by offering the new system, CCP is admitting it is not a game mechanics issue it's CCP mentally issue. Shouldn't CCP provide an apology to all players of their denied method and backfire method they had use against all players who had voice out all these years? Why do we players have to withstand rude and arrogant attitude of CCP and their ISD while in many area it is certaining CCP to be blame for not providing a clear explanation or fixing the problem.

But hey, since CCP is desperate to recruit new players, they now claim to have change the game mechanics but in fact they want to change the reputation of Eve Online being the most grievers and scammers compare to all other MMORPG out there combine. Is CCP so desperate that they are willing to change the rule for new players. Then how about old players? Do we deserve to be treated is such rude and unprofessional respond always by CCP and their ISD for so many years? How much more will Eve Online change to suit new players while ignoring old players.

(If you have nothing to contribute or you just want to grieve, stay away from this post, your comment is not welcome)

tl'dr but this caught my eye.

You are informed during the Tutorial quite clearly.

Perchance, do I smell a rant in there?

Too bad for you this is probably going to get locked. You even used nice clean & readable paragraphs and everything.

Actually during tutorial, you are advice to update your medical clone regularly. No other explanation for whenever you get kill nor that you will lose skill points. Instead, the losing of skill points is explain in other website hosted by players and inputted by players not by CCP themselves. What I am saying it is CCP responsibility to explain it, make it understandable for all. It is not players job to do CCP's job because we are playing Eve and we have to pay for it, we are not Dust player, where it is free-to-play

Almost all MMORPG, not all but almost all, is complex game. If every major developer can do an effort to provide an comprehensive online manual while update is archive for easy references, why can't CCP does it if they truly have the income from 100s of thousand of players.

Please tell me one complex mmorpg game that's been released since 2004.

EvE Online learning curve.

It isn't. Many ISDs and CCP staff have contributed to it.

You tell me my comment isn't appreciated ?

Hell, who asked you for this dumb thread ?? O_o

I'll admit I knee-jerked because you wrote a "fascinating" wall of text, but you're still claiming "greiving" is a problem in OP. Hence, you are whining about it. Griefing is banable offense in EVE.


I'll post whatever I want where ever I want on public forums, pursuant to the rules of said forums. So kindly stuff it.