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For all Caldari, a call to arms.

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Hamish Grayson
#21 - 2013-01-19 12:32:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Hamish Grayson
I know what I'm doing Suuolo. We've tried this way before, another strategy is needed.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#22 - 2013-01-19 13:03:17 UTC
When I look at the history between the Federation and the State, and then compare it to the history of the Empire and the Khanid Kingdom, I always end up wondering why the former could never learn the lessons of the later. When we had a tiny little chunk of the Empire decide to split off and do their own thing the Golden Fleet promptly responded by... doing nothing. Yup. We just let them go. You don't hear news stories about us shooting at each other three hundred years later, either.

But then I suppose there is one crucial difference: Culture. With the Amarr, it is our Faith that unites us. The Empire don't fret over the Kingdom or the Mandate because we still remain united in Faith. The Federation and the State however... far too different I suppose.

Still, though, really wish you two could get it through your heads already. You, over there in the green ships: The Caldari are quite happy with living in a non-democracy. Shocking, I know, but it happens, and if you really believe in freedom then you'd believe in the freedom to not be just like youselves. And you, over there in the blue ships: Egads give the nationalistic patriovomit a rest for a minute, will ya? And stop trying to dress up your own expansionism as anything other than plain, old fashioned greed. If you're so good at capitalism then why can't you just use your boardrooms & stock exchanges as weapons and buy them out?

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Atlas Zao-tsu
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-01-19 13:28:02 UTC
We aren't trying to conquer them, Ms Luftschreck. We know they don't want a democracy; I am personally very comfortable with that. That isn't what this war is about. This war is much more bitter and sad than that.

And that's quite a rosy picture of the Empire you paint! Way I heard it, King Khanid's Titan had something to do with the Empire not getting all clingy when he left.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2013-01-19 13:28:55 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:


Ah so! It's "savagery" when we kill your civilians, but "art" when you kill our civilians. Gotcha.


No, it's that war never changes in its cruelty and the only precept when fighting one is to embrace duty and death in order grant the strength necessary to ensure final victory.

In a Total War in which the entirety of a nation is either fighting on the frontlines or manufacturing the weapons of conflict, there exists no such thing as a civilian. There can be neither mercy, compassion nor humanity for ones enemies when the stakes involved are national survival.


Interesting. If I understand correctly, does that make the Duvallier administration worth of these values as well ? The most enlighted of enemies the Caldari had to face ?


President Duvailer, upon having chosen the path of War against the Caldari State would have been remiss of his duty to his chosen nation if he did not seek to use whatever means at his disposal to ensure the preservation of the interests of that nation. For when all moral actions are to be derived from the nation and the State, then President Duvailer acted in the morally correct fashion in seeking to cripple the Caldari State through blockade and orbital bombardment when having the means to do so in order to defend the interests of the Federation.

If, hypothetically, the situations had been reversed then it would have been a moral failure if the Caldari State had not conducted a blockade and bombardment of Gallente Prime if it had the means to do so in order to defend its own interests against the Federation once war had been declared.

Does that make things clear, Ms. Farel?


Crystal clear.

Katran Luftschreck wrote:
When I look at the history between the Federation and the State, and then compare it to the history of the Empire and the Khanid Kingdom, I always end up wondering why the former could never learn the lessons of the later. When we had a tiny little chunk of the Empire decide to split off and do their own thing the Golden Fleet promptly responded by... doing nothing. Yup. We just let them go. You don't hear news stories about us shooting at each other three hundred years later, either.


Hard to compare. Heideran VII rule was only starting and the political turmoil that followed his rise to the throne prevented him to do anything.

In Amarr politics, an Emperor only holds an absolute power when he has the support or agreement of the Privy Council.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#25 - 2013-01-19 13:49:11 UTC
Atlas Zao-tsu wrote:
And that's quite a rosy picture of the Empire you paint! Way I heard it, King Khanid's Titan had something to do with the Empire not getting all clingy when he left.


It most certainly did, as did the respect he had amongst the fleet.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#26 - 2013-01-19 18:10:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
The Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive will continue its operations in Syndicate until Ishukone Corporation (and only Ishukone Corporation) mandates otherwise.

We follow our orders as they are given, and those orders do not currently include direct participation in the CEWPA.

However, I-RED stands by its commitment to provide support to our business partners and friends. Should those sharing positive standings require our aid, we will not hesitate to send Ishuk-Raata forces to the warzone. Requests for this aid should as always be carried out through the proper channels, not through replying to this post.

Respectfully,
Shosho Katrina Oniseki
Sub-Director, Public Relations & Diplomacy

Katrina Oniseki

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#27 - 2013-01-19 19:01:34 UTC
One thing becomes clear to me, the longer I stay on the fighting front. Whatever my cherished philosophies, duty demands that I do things my soul shrinks from because they are necessary to serve the State that I love. A wise person once told me that "Duty denies choice, save for the choice to abandon duty. "

I wondered what she meant, but increasingly I begin to understand.

Well, the choice to abandon my duty is no choice at all. My path is clear and now all I can do is hope that my duty doesn't lead me down paths that will destroy everything about me except the Loyal Soldier. As it has clearly already done to many on both sides of this conflict.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#28 - 2013-01-22 22:33:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Sakura Nihil
**** the State.

The sooner Heth utterly fails and is thrown from power, the better. Hopefully this push into BR helps that cause.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#29 - 2013-01-22 22:53:14 UTC
Sakura Nihil wrote:
The sooner Heth utterly fails and is thrown from power, the better.


Would that all great nations would eliminate their warmongers.

Not that I am opposed to conflict, but conflict takes many forms: Conflicts of Faith, conflicts of economics, conflicts of ideas and philosophies that define us as a species. These are the conflicts that should be determining who we are and who we will become, because these are the conflicts that make us evolve and move forward. War is the opposite.


http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#30 - 2013-01-23 01:15:56 UTC
I have nothing against war.

It is merely one way in which we compete amongst ourselves to see which nations, ideas, and systems of governments are dominant. It uses the oldest means to gauge the victory, in that the strongest of these usually win out amongst their competitors.

Competition comes in many forms. Diplomatic jockeying, economic warfare, the exporting of ideas to other cultures to change the beliefs of individuals, and so on. War is the ultimate form of competition, where individuals that stand in the way of your belief system are eliminated, rather than trying to convert them to your side.

My beef with Heth isn't that he's a warmonger. It's that he's proving with his successes that the Caldari should follow him and his "blame the Gallente for all our problems" rhetoric. It's leading our people down a darker, even more xenophobic and isolationist path. He's a dictator, plain and simple, someone who is unworthy of the position he currently finds himself in.
BloodBird
The Crucible.
#31 - 2013-01-27 17:21:14 UTC
Year pass by, tides turn, people die.

And Vikarion never learns. All is well.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2013-01-27 19:18:24 UTC
Sakura Nihil wrote:
**** the State.

The sooner Heth utterly fails and is thrown from power, the better. Hopefully this push into BR helps that cause.


We expect the various null-sec Sovreign alliances to get distracted by something shinier in short order.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Vikarion
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-01-27 20:11:19 UTC
BloodBird wrote:
Year pass by, tides turn, people die.

And Vikarion never learns. All is well.


Ah, you're back! Did you come back just for me? Second post after your glorious appearance is in my own thread. How wonderful. I suppose I should be honored, if you weren't the sort of person that dirties up a thread just by existing in it. Trust me, you were not missed.
BloodBird
The Crucible.
#34 - 2013-01-27 21:21:50 UTC
Vikarion wrote:
BloodBird wrote:
Year pass by, tides turn, people die.

And Vikarion never learns. All is well.


Ah, you're back! Did you come back just for me? Second post after your glorious appearance is in my own thread. How wonderful. I suppose I should be honored, if you weren't the sort of person that dirties up a thread just by existing in it. Trust me, you were not missed.


I love you too, Sansha. Trust me on this, I did not miss the look of your face while I was gone.

As for the very second post around... honestly, there was little else to comment on. I'm not as... generous, with my available time as I used to be, and little else cought my eye.

Next time you want to write about the Federation, try to leave out some of the fact-twisting, blatant lies and bare-faced favoritism and smearing. I would expect a quality would-be Caldari National like yourself to be above such childish antics, but apparently I was wrong.
Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#35 - 2013-01-28 05:24:22 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Sakura Nihil wrote:
**** the State.

The sooner Heth utterly fails and is thrown from power, the better. Hopefully this push into BR helps that cause.


We expect the various null-sec Sovreign alliances to get distracted by something shinier in short order.


Eh, just because we're busy elsewhere doesn't mean we don't keep tabs on the State. Or the individual running it.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#36 - 2013-01-28 09:43:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Didn't Diana Kim post something like this a month ago?

"Blahblah we Caldari are so badass blahblah". We know. Aren't you State capsuleers capable of a bit more of an original discourse?
Vikarion
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-01-28 09:53:21 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Didn't Diana Kim post something like this a month ago?

"Blahblah we Caldari are so badass blahblah". We know. Aren't you State capsuleers capable of a bit more of an original discourse?


And yet, somehow, still more interesting than listening to you condescendingly tell everyone how much more intelligent, moral, and sophisticated you are than the rest of us. When you aren't ghost-writing press-releases for your daughter's fashion company, of course.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#38 - 2013-01-28 10:07:51 UTC
Vikarion wrote:
And yet, somehow, still more interesting than listening to you condescendingly tell everyone how much more intelligent, moral, and sophisticated you are than the rest of us. When you aren't ghost-writing press-releases for your daughter's fashion company, of course.


But I am more intelligent, moral, and sophisticated than the rest of you.

Seriously, though, the thread was pretty much the same thing.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#39 - 2013-01-28 10:11:56 UTC
Also, I know **** about fashion.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#40 - 2013-01-28 11:11:01 UTC
This is not an entirely accurate criticism, Msr Inhonores. Kim-haani's thread was a general purpose exhortation to extra effort whilst Vikarion-haan's rallying cry was specifically due to the changing situation in the Warzone. Whatever you may feel about the specific message, and I assure you virtually identical chest-beating can be found in similar FDU threads, this was not a random 'Aren't we awesome?!' circle-jerk.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

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