Intergalactic Summit

This is why it's always a bad idea to put makeup on a Civire...

All joking aside, the man's involvement with those reels meant he definitely deserved being on the receiving end of some form ofappropriate justice. I know the Provists, KK and the Patriot bloc don't go in for public trials - too Gallentean for their tastes - but if he was just summarily executed in a basement somewhere then that's a PR opportunity sadly missed at the very least.

In Ishukone, execution without trial would also be a gross breach of corporate law but the Provists aren't a megacorporate force, I'm not... entirely sure what laws they're bound by in these circumstances, if any. Don't rightly know what Home Guard's rules are, either.

So, justice of a sort, but at the same time more evidence (as if we needed it) that the Provists really don't give a damn about international relations, not even when they can exploit a high-profile scenario to make themselves look good. You'd hope our trenchcoated overlords would be a little less short-sighted. Never waste a resource you can exploit.

And sold.

I'd like to know your source for claiming he's been executed, however.

Someone doesn't grasp the chain of events properly.



You're saying that the Provists - violent anti-Gallentean racists and war criminals in illegitimate control of the State - who were defending a building from Federation ground forces just let a member of the FIO or some similar pro-Federal organisation in so that they could murder the Provists' intelligence asset and some of their loyal men?

If the Provists are that accomodating, perhaps they'll let me walk into Heth's office on New Caldari Prime and double-tap him in the back of the skull, and solve a problem for both our countries.

That, unfortunately, is what tends to happen when you refuse to surrender to Federal forces recovering territory that you've occupied.



That's a rather grand conspiracy theory you've brewed up there. Got any evidence to support it, even anecdotal?

I don't know. The Caldari State has been making a lot of questionable decisions lately - given that you've let a fanatical terrorist group responsible for a large number of the worst war crimes in the history of the cluster openly fight for the State as a member corporation, I couldn't even begin to venture a guess.

This falacy trotted out by Caldari loyalists has been done to death and isn't even regularly used by Caldari loyalists anymore. The Federation Navy did not authorise an offensive strike on a civilian station occupied by members of the Federation's own diplomatic team, and if they did, you can bet they'd have found a much more efficient way to do it than the sacrifice of an incredibly expensive asset.

If we could please leave this thread free for possible news updates and not cultural arguing it would be appreciated.

Let's not take away from this the relief that a clearly perverted individual is dead at the hands of the rightful authorities. Instead, let us realise that this is just the surface of what we are dealing with here.

We Caldari are known for our love of combat oriented sports, the broadcast of such being the foundation of many an entertainment subsidiary of NOH over our history. But this is a new sickness entirely, one propagated by the lax decency laws and low ethics of some Federation media outlets, eager to feed a sick sub-set of their population images of vile abuse that they bay for and crave. Now it would be easy to blame their government, and indeed their public, sickening execution of one of their own would lend weight to this, but such is a simplistic and narrow-sighted view of the matter.

Truly, that public execution did cater to those afflicted with the sickness of mind to take pleasure in it in any measure, but it is the unwillingness to excise that desire, to punish deviant cravings and moderate their own people that has led to this. The Federation is not guilty of being the source of a heinous obsession that goes far beyond this one man, it is guilty of being a bad parent.

Yes, I know, the retort will be some probable truth of what my nation has done to foreign soldiers, agents and citizenry in the name of war. Foreigners are given short shrift in the State, and rightfully so, but here's the rub. We do not neatly package up the contents of our interrogations and pass them around like some curio to be watched for pleasure. Those that fall prey to such a sickness of mind, should, and I hope have, been given the same treatment as this journalist. A forgettable end at the hands of justice.

Interrogation is undignified, no matter how stoic the individual. I expect that a State marine capture by the Federation, or vice versa, is going to be subject to some gruelling days in the lead up to their release or the end of the lives at the hands of their captors. But for the love of all that is good, we should allow our opposite numbers dignity in death. Even an outsider deserves to be remembered as dying with honour, not in some gore-soaked rendition of the sometimes unmanning reality of how some act when faced with their end.

I'm curious as to why these alleged Caldari hitmen decided to kill only Lemant and then leave the Provists untouched & unaware for the Federation to clean up hours later? Or even how they managed to do this? Does this add up for you? Because it doesn't add up for me at all. Next they're going to tell us it was just one guy with six guns or something.

I took part in the final assault (I was the Fleet Commander of the 100 man capsuleer fleet that was responsible for making the system vulnerable ) and can safely say FDU capsuleer forces were largely oblivious to this event.

Of course as soon the system fell we were too busy partying, drinking and celebrating. After I docked much to the surprise of my crew I ran out the ship with my shirt pulled over my head in hysteria.