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Incursion Site Exploit Notification
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#21 - 2013-01-19 00:38:23 UTC
So how long is too long to idle in an empty site?

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-01-19 00:52:16 UTC
Andski wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Then the thing to do would obviously be to balance highsec incursion income, right (which in CCP's opinion may have already been largely done)? If removing them is the the obvious option then there must be something wrong with the nature of the content and it's emphasis on assisting in grouping unaffiliated people.


The problem is that hisec incursions are just watered down versions of what they are in lowsec, but the payout difference is marginal. You have no scramming rats, you have no gate rats. CCP can't make them too hard because they don't want hisec incursions essentially shutting systems down until they're completed - people continue moving freighters through there just fine and agents and CONCORD work perfectly.

They had the opportunity to add attractive content to lowsec that would attract PvP, but they realized that it'd exclude their risk-averse hisec carebears, so they added dumbed-down incursions to hisec.

Agreed the lack of gate rats is a considerable difference between the 2, and a substantial one. Payout difference is not something I've checked recently. I haven't seen anything to suggest it has changed and assumed it was still 70% payouts for highsec. To me a 30% difference seems substantial, but I won't pretend to be a balance expert.

As for scrambling, again, barring a recent change in Vanguards and HQ's, I can assure you they are present. As I understand the NPC content has no differences between security bands save the gate rats.

Addressing the last point regarding lowsec content, this seems like, especially with the mandatory opened, PUG advertising tool that is the Incursion constellation chat the goal seems to have been fostering cooperative elements. That isn't to say that it can't be used as you have pointed out, but parts of it would be rather misplaced if that were it's focus.
Angelica Scatterbrain
WH United
#23 - 2013-01-19 02:28:41 UTC
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Good evening internet spaceship captains.

We would like to inform you all that after thorough investigation, the GM Team have come to the decision that loitering in completed Incursion sites with the intent of preventing further continuation of the Incursion is now considered an exploit.

Any players found engaging this activity will be dealt with according to our policies on exploits.


Will this new policy also apply to null sec anoms?
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-01-19 02:35:38 UTC
So instead of despawning the site after it's done they make it an exploit? Sounds like CCP.

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Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#25 - 2013-01-19 03:23:04 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
So instead of despawning the site after it's done they make it an exploit? Sounds like CCP.


in the winter patch of 2019 they will fix it so that it despawns rather than saying it is an exploit. Also, can flipping inside an incursion will be an exploit at that stage but will be made moot by the despawning.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-01-19 04:18:35 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
So instead of despawning the site after it's done they make it an exploit? Sounds like CCP.

With the freighter bumping exploit they declared the exploit and posted a fix not long thereafter. The only alternative is ignoring the issue while the fix is developed, which clearly is not a situation they are satisfied with.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#27 - 2013-01-19 06:59:41 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Andski wrote:

The problem is that hisec incursions are just watered down versions of what they are in lowsec, but the payout difference is marginal.
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I agree the payout difference is marginal & lo/NULL sec incursions needs a buff. I also believe that the same site changes that nerfed HI SEC Incursion should not have been applied to lo sec Incursions. Until last week a lo sec Incursion had not been completed in ~9 months and since the Escalation nerf a Null sec Incursion MOM has not been sited!
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-01-19 07:14:34 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
So instead of despawning the site after it's done they make it an exploit? Sounds like CCP.

With the freighter bumping exploit they declared the exploit and posted a fix not long thereafter. The only alternative is ignoring the issue while the fix is developed, which clearly is not a situation they are satisfied with.

While I fully agree with you, I would add that CCP shouldve seen this coming much before content becomes live. I mean, it's not even that hard to recreate a scenario(as opposed to few others) where the supposed 'exploit' occurs. This was just CCP being tardy which is what I was saying. But hey, we love CCP,right? ;)

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Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2013-01-19 09:28:21 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
So how long is too long to idle in an empty site?


more than once, and long enough that you have time to make demands for ransom
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#30 - 2013-01-19 14:47:49 UTC
You want people to go to lowsec and nullsec incursions? Do this:

Highsec = Hard difficulty Incursion
Lowsec = Medium difficulty Incursion (Gate rats do not scram, rats in site do not scram)
Nullsec = Easy difficulty Incursion (Gate rats do not scram, rats in site do not scram, rats do not use ECM)

Why you ask? Because players in low/null will already have to worry about other players trying to engage/gank them in sites that are broadcast for all to see.

LOL
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