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Fixing EVE

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-01-18 21:15:17 UTC
1) Not enough boom.
Examine why people are reluctant to fight. Do not want to show up on a kill board. Do not want to encourage continued/additional war decs. Fear of hot drops. Out of corp alts. Targets logoff in the location they expect a fight, then login and are instantly in the fight.

fix: War dec's suck for industrial corps. They shut down all missioning/mining. Hard to meet my monthly nut of 2.4B ISK for 4 PLEX, when I can't make any ISK for weeks on end.

Because war decs suck so much, we really, really go out of our way to avoid them. This means avoiding showing up on kill board, and not giving any kills to the war decs we do get. Fighting back just causes the war to be extended.

Make war decs suck less, and we're more likely to fight back. How? Make them limited to a system/constellation/region. Make the cost exponentially increase as the number of systems the copr/alliance has active decs in.

Now, war dec is not horrid suck, so we don't do everything we can to avoid them, so we are more likely to fight back.

In addition to that,
* ship mountable cyno jammer to block hot drops
* criminal flag for remote assisting anyone in a war that has a PVP flag to get rid of the out of corp repair alts.
* Timer after login before you can activate modules against another ship, unless they fire on you first.


2) Why group play?
I can make more money mission running or mining with me and my alts, than I can in a larger group. In a group, we have to move between mission or belts more often.

fix: beats me. I don't know what a group could do that I can't do with my 4 accounts.


3) Why leave high sec?
Null sec has been made so safe by its inhabitants, that the null and low sec ores pay basically the same value as high sec.

fix: beats me: Capping the amount of resources in null, would encourage the locals to keep their groups small and would create massive wealth disparity. Make the resources unlimited to lift the cap on the number of people that can participate, and you get the situation we have now where null and low are no more profitable than high.

You could do things like making the higher end version of the ores more drastic, and only appear in lower sec. Veld = current. Concentrated = 50% more than norm and only in low. Dense = 100% more than norm and only in null/wh. I suspect the result of this would be similar to what was happening after dominion where null residents were seeing wallets grow hyper fat in short order. Null being just as safe but twice as productive would crush mineral prices for high sec miners.

But, at least my corp mates would be able to provide an answer to my question, why not just mine in high sec where it is safer and easier?


4) Balancing the desires of those that want to mess with others, with those that want to play the game without being messed with.
Make it too hard to mess with people, then the hunters quit the game. Make it too easy, and the people that don't want to be messed with quit the game.

fix: get those that want to mess with others, to mess with others that want to be mess with others.
PVPers need to focus on PVPing each other instead of thinking of carebears as targets. Improved drops? Tough to do without encouraging people to kill their own alts?

I'd like to see some kind of official kill board with a weighted points that reward killing people that have killed lots of other people, while providing little to no points for killing someone with few if any kills. Repeatedly killing the same player produces fewer points. Top killers become top killers by killing other top killers, not by wasting time war deccing miners or mission runners.

Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#2 - 2013-01-18 21:18:58 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:


PVPers need to focus on PVPing each other instead of thinking of carebears as targets.



This

EvE isn't game, its style of living.

RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-01-18 21:22:36 UTC
Haha first in with the TLDR

Signatured removed, CCP Phantom

Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#4 - 2013-01-18 21:27:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
i read a book called Thinking in Systems recently
the idea is, everything is a system and only the effects are the visible part of the iceberg, the system is hidden underneath
also the point that the most intuitive fixes to a system are often the wrong ones and lead to even worse outcomes and just amplify the orignal unwanted effects (politics is full of this), and also that the most common leverage points people make changes to first are often the least effective and sometimes totally noneffective, and the most effective leverage points are the ones which are ignored or not given attention

i think the dev of this game should all be given a copy to read before making any more "fixes"
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-01-18 21:28:38 UTC
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Gerard Hareka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-01-18 21:32:15 UTC
Whats wrong with 2 powerblocks ( soon to be one ) in null ability to travel entire galaxy in 30 minutes , and invincible super cap blob ??

I dont get you , goons and tests are saying everything is ok

Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#7 - 2013-01-18 21:35:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:


PVPers need to focus on PVPing each other instead of thinking of carebears as targets.



This


What?

Pretty sure last time I looked New Eden is full of PVP groups trying to punch each other in the face.

Also, don't assume that non PVP ship kills are exclusively people greifing carebears. It is entirely plausible that organisations are blaping each other's ISK incomes.

Try to see that warfare in EVE is not just PVP like it would be in an FPS game or a PVP arena in some nancy MMO. Most of the fights, the serious ones, the ones that matter... matter.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com

Marius Deterium
Crush Kill Destroy
#8 - 2013-01-18 21:50:34 UTC
This post was so bad, I'm logging off the forum now.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#9 - 2013-01-18 21:58:48 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:

fix: War dec's suck for industrial corps. They shut down all missioning/mining. Hard to meet my monthly nut of 2.4B ISK for 4 PLEX, when I can't make any ISK for weeks on end.



PLEX is a luxury not a necessity. If you can't take the heat, get out of the fire and pay subscription fees.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#10 - 2013-01-18 22:31:10 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:

fix: get those that want to mess with others, to mess with others that want to be mess with others.
PVPers need to focus on PVPing each other instead of thinking of carebears as targets. Improved drops? Tough to do without encouraging people to kill their own alts?


Yes, improved drops from ships killed will make gankers want to kill other gankers.....AND miners, AND haulers, AND pretty much everything that moves, and some things that dont.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#11 - 2013-01-18 23:41:01 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Hard to meet my monthly nut of 2.4B ISK for 4 PLEX


CCP won´t let me be a freeloader without me putting in effort BAAAAW I have to share my mission ISK with a scout Roll
Tweek Etimua
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-01-18 23:58:23 UTC
Your inability to adapt is what your complaining about right?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-01-19 00:01:16 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Hard to meet my monthly nut of 2.4B ISK for 4 PLEX


CCP won´t let me be a freeloader without me putting in effort BAAAAW I have to share my mission ISK with a scout Roll

How is it freeloading?
Hint: it's not.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#14 - 2013-01-19 00:11:31 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Hard to meet my monthly nut of 2.4B ISK for 4 PLEX


CCP won´t let me be a freeloader without me putting in effort BAAAAW I have to share my mission ISK with a scout Roll

How is it freeloading?
Hint: it's not.


I stand corrected, technically he is not. But it passes the censor filter and it's 'close enough'. My apologies, I probably had my fair share of GD tonight. I'm usually less careless with my vocabulary Big smile
Sorlac
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#15 - 2013-01-19 00:34:46 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
1)

Fixing EVE


I just use the Repair Tool on the Launcher and it has always fixed EVE for me.
D-Fens
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-01-19 00:39:31 UTC
Eve isn't broken. You are.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#17 - 2013-01-19 00:43:25 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
i read a book called Thinking in Systems recently
the idea is, everything is a system and only the effects are the visible part of the iceberg, the system is hidden underneath
also the point that the most intuitive fixes to a system are often the wrong ones and lead to even worse outcomes and just amplify the orignal unwanted effects (politics is full of this), and also that the most common leverage points people make changes to first are often the least effective and sometimes totally noneffective, and the most effective leverage points are the ones which are ignored or not given attention

i think the dev of this game should all be given a copy to read before making any more "fixes"

Process design and redesign 101. Break down the process, analyze the data, form a theory based on objective evidence, test the design/solution, prove the design/solution, implement the design/solution, measure the results. Rinse, repeat.

Unfortunately the number one thing people point to when something goes wrong is people. Not surprising is that they never point to themselves.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#18 - 2013-01-20 15:16:44 UTC
Remove T2 BPOs. AMIRITE?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2013-01-20 15:22:54 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:


PVPers need to focus on PVPing each other instead of thinking of carebears as targets.



This


Sure, just as soon as bears stop making themselves targets.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-01-20 15:33:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:


PVPers need to focus on PVPing each other instead of thinking of carebears as targets.



This


Sure, just as soon as bears stop making themselves targets.

I'd laugh my ass off if that ever happened.
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