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Aston Martin DB5
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2013-01-18 18:03:43 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:


So it's acceptable to grind unless it involves SP? Why is that?


Fairness.

Everyone in EVE gains the same amount of SP as everyone else no matter how much time they have to play.


True depending on their implants. This is similar to what i'm suggesting. What's the difference gaining isk doing pve/pvp content to aquire these implants. Why not add another layer by engaging in activities which provides bonuses to sp training.
Aston Martin DB5
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2013-01-18 18:11:59 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
Mag's wrote:
No, I feel grinding for SP is unacceptable. You want that type of system, then go elsewhere.


So it's acceptable to grind unless it involves SP? Why is that?
Because SP isn't the be all and end all of Eve. It's only one part and works very well as it stands right now. Plus any type of system like this, is open for abuse. This is why it didn't last long the first time it was introduced early on in Eve's life.

Also, there is only grind in Eve, if you want there to be grind in Eve. This promotes it and is wrong for that fact.




How is adding a small 250-500 points weekly/monthly a "be all and end all of eve." Adding implants which are acquired through isk, do they share the same fate?
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#23 - 2013-01-18 18:17:21 UTC
This would mostly benefit the botters, so

no.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#24 - 2013-01-18 18:18:34 UTC
I've seen a LOT on these Forums in 3 years.......

But THIS is the worst idea absolutely ever.

I'm so stunned by it's badness I just cannot say anything at all.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2013-01-18 18:19:25 UTC
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
Why not add another layer by engaging in activities which provides bonuses to sp training.


Because then people like me would be left behind in skill training with no option of keeping up and when we do play I dont want to have spend my limited time grinding SP.
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2013-01-18 18:20:04 UTC
I want to play Eve Online,

NOT World of Warcraft :P

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#27 - 2013-01-18 18:20:29 UTC
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Hell no. Grind is not acceptable.


So you feel pvp is grinding or doing things that earn your character isk is as well? These are things all players engage in EVE. Why not reward them for doing it and give players more control of their characters' progression.



A Market alt or PI centric toon would earn nothing.....ever.


Bad idea is bad idea.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#28 - 2013-01-18 18:22:13 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
hey guys guys i am like pretty rich now i don't even have to rat anymore but i still need to rat for sec status how about passive sec status regen?


You will soon(tm) be able to buy tags for security status (tags4sec, according to the minutes), how about that?

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#29 - 2013-01-18 18:22:40 UTC
Daisai wrote:


The comment saying the experience is the reward isnt true, thats not a reward.



In life, the experience is the reward, for Gods Sake ! And after 3 years in EVE the same is true here.

Not really an intelligent thing you said there. At all. Are you from the human race ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Aston Martin DB5
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2013-01-18 18:23:29 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
This would mostly benefit the botters, so

no.


PvP now has botters?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-01-18 18:24:38 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
hey guys guys i am like pretty rich now i don't even have to rat anymore but i still need to rat for sec status how about passive sec status regen?


You will soon(tm) be able to buy tags for security status (tags4sec, according to the minutes), how about that?

Given how little security status means anyway, I don't see why that's a problem.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Mag's
Azn Empire
#32 - 2013-01-18 18:25:09 UTC
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
Mag's wrote:
No, I feel grinding for SP is unacceptable. You want that type of system, then go elsewhere.


So it's acceptable to grind unless it involves SP? Why is that?
Because SP isn't the be all and end all of Eve. It's only one part and works very well as it stands right now. Plus any type of system like this, is open for abuse. This is why it didn't last long the first time it was introduced early on in Eve's life.

Also, there is only grind in Eve, if you want there to be grind in Eve. This promotes it and is wrong for that fact.




How is adding a small 250-500 points weekly/monthly a "be all and end all of eve." Adding implants which are acquired through isk, do they share the same fate?
Because it's something not open to all, whereas Implants are. Just because someone chooses not to invest in Implants, doesn't mean they cannot.
But many players cannot invest large quantities of game time, as real life messes with it.

Any system that require grind, becomes a burden to game play. The lack of grind in Eve, is why I've kept playing it for 9 years.

Why do you ignore the fact we had this once and it was abused. Do you honestly think it would be again?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#33 - 2013-01-18 18:25:32 UTC
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
This would mostly benefit the botters, so

no.


PvP now has botters?



You included PvE Combat in your original post. But I'm not surprised you 'forgot'.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Aston Martin DB5
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2013-01-18 18:26:11 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Hell no. Grind is not acceptable.


So you feel pvp is grinding or doing things that earn your character isk is as well? These are things all players engage in EVE. Why not reward them for doing it and give players more control of their characters' progression.



A Market alt or PI centric toon would earn nothing.....ever.


Bad idea is bad idea.



Market toon shouldn't be rewarded. Promoting people flying their spaceships and blowing stuff up should because they're engaging with other players in a "MMO."

Not saying making isk through the market is bad.
Aston Martin DB5
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2013-01-18 18:27:47 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
This would mostly benefit the botters, so

no.


PvP now has botters?



You included PvE Combat in your original post. But I'm not surprised you 'forgot'.


I did forget and it wasn't intentional. Maybe you forgot about the AI update.



PVP/PVE have botters?


^^
there ya go
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2013-01-18 18:27:55 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
This would mostly benefit the botters, so

no.


PvP now has botters?


Find a quiet Lowsec system with station, park a destroyer in a safe spot, get your neutral alt to warp their ibis to your safespot and alpha it. Repeat untill you run out of ammo.

Welcome to the world of the top 100 killers in EVE.

PVE wise there are lvl 5 mission bots.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#37 - 2013-01-18 18:28:40 UTC
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:



A Market alt or PI centric toon would earn nothing.....ever.


Bad idea is bad idea.



Market toon shouldn't be rewarded. Promoting people flying their spaceships and blowing stuff up should because they're engaging with other players in a "MMO."

Not saying making isk through the market is bad.
They are taking part in PvP, why shouldn't they be rewarded also?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#38 - 2013-01-18 18:28:52 UTC
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Hell no. Grind is not acceptable.


So you feel pvp is grinding or doing things that earn your character isk is as well? These are things all players engage in EVE. Why not reward them for doing it and give players more control of their characters' progression.



A Market alt or PI centric toon would earn nothing.....ever.


Bad idea is bad idea.



Market toon shouldn't be rewarded. Promoting people flying their spaceships and blowing stuff up should because they're engaging with other players in a "MMO."

Not saying making isk through the market is bad.



Wow.

You have no concept of this game at all.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Mag's
Azn Empire
#39 - 2013-01-18 18:29:44 UTC
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:



You included PvE Combat in your original post. But I'm not surprised you 'forgot'.


I did forget and it wasn't intentional. Maybe you forgot about the AI update.



PVP/PVE have botters?


^^
there ya go
PvE does now, PvP would with this change.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Aston Martin DB5
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#40 - 2013-01-18 18:33:03 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
Mag's wrote:
No, I feel grinding for SP is unacceptable. You want that type of system, then go elsewhere.


So it's acceptable to grind unless it involves SP? Why is that?
Because SP isn't the be all and end all of Eve. It's only one part and works very well as it stands right now. Plus any type of system like this, is open for abuse. This is why it didn't last long the first time it was introduced early on in Eve's life.

Also, there is only grind in Eve, if you want there to be grind in Eve. This promotes it and is wrong for that fact.




How is adding a small 250-500 points weekly/monthly a "be all and end all of eve." Adding implants which are acquired through isk, do they share the same fate?
Because it's something not open to all, whereas Implants are. Just because someone chooses not to invest in Implants, doesn't mean they cannot.
But many players cannot invest large quantities of game time, as real life messes with it.

Any system that require grind, becomes a burden to game play. The lack of grind in Eve, is why I've kept playing it for 9 years.

Why do you ignore the fact we had this once and it was abused. Do you honestly think it would be again?



Abused because maybe it was poorly implemented? Why are we throwing around "large quantities of game time" maybe blowing up 1 ship in a month just gained you 25 points to apply or something> ?

System that requires grind? No new system is being implemented other than adding a bonus to things players enjoy in the game currently: blowing up ships.