EVE General Discussion

I checked your evekill history. You average 1 kill a month & you live in nullsec.
Unless you have a 2nd account that pvps, i would definately concider you a carebear.

Hell even I concider myself to be a bit of a carebare because if there is no scheduled op, im out making iskes.

There's nothing wrong with carebearing. Its a valid and a fun play style.

There are carebears who refuse to participate in the game because they fear loss of isk. These people would like to see Eve changed to support their risk free idea of play. Which would ruin Eve. Call them extrebears or horribles.

Sound on par with AFK mining, people wanting to play the game without actually playing.

IDK the AFK thing doesn't bother me at all. The skill que is kind of AFK playing, as is research, trading, production, PI and I'm sure a host of other stuff. So the game already supports that kind of play, nothing wrong with it. Especially when it is balanced by greater risk and lower reward.

That is interesting. Maybe massive bonuses for a bear corp in highsec when fighting in a system that it owns. And a requirement for merc corps to destroy a certain number of beacons or run certain missions before they can assault a POS in a system "owned" by the bear corp.

I think it's just the long grind to get stuff that does it, and then, you just get the stuff blown up.



The main problem with PVP is that it's rife with what I call "stupid ship loss". In order to be able to absorb it, you have to grind the ISK or materials to get more ships - to lose. Now this might be the name of the game for a lot of people, but a large portion of the player base gets so caught up in acquiring the funds and materials for PVP that they become wound up in that as the goal and then become reluctant for it all to go up in pixel smoke.

Imagine that you are going to enter a car into a demolition derby. For those of you who don't know, a demolition derby is a kind of race or competition whereby you wreck cars.

If you can get a car for free, or for say 100 bucks, throw some numbers on it, and then go destroy it, it's no big deal.

Now imagine that you have to work a second job for several months to pay say $3000 dollars for a car to enter in the demolition derby.

Imagine that in order to survive more than two seconds in the event, you have to put in an expensive roll cage, a high performance engine, etc. Imagine you have to go through the trouble of assembling these yourself.


How willing will you be to destroy this car?


The trouble with EvE PVP is that it's a demolition derby of sorts, but you have to grind PVe (very boring PVe if not mining rocks) to get the stuff.


What's the solution? The solution is either to find some means of making ships more available, such as free rookie ships with more combat capability (or perhaps a different kind of combat-ready rookie ship for militia members in FW) with less grind, or change the nature of PVP such that combat vessels get the same kind of support and logistics that a RL warship gets. Even tanks don't just go afield without infantry support. EvE PVP is gate camps and "Primary-F1" blobbageddons and that comprises for the most part an anti-climactic outcome.

Tbh, EVE have no pvp. The only real pvp is on the market. Shooting dots in space is nothing more like a smart phone app. Right click on your face and go boom is more like and xcel formula. Indeed, require more IQ than usual, but it still like a software not a game.

Now combine that with the primitive gankers whom wanna convince every new payer that mining is bad.. and you have the real picture why EVE is a "family business". Every new face is raped and forced into the vets playstyle and ofc I point to this oldie gang called goons that tend to take over every game they like. This oldish "grandpa" humor, the hunt for so called tears is driving any new player away. I mean.. you wanna try EVE, then this old dude show around and start his old jokes and gank you in the name of trololol then he start a blog bout how smart he is and how easy he can grief the noobs.

I said bad things about goongams, but that is pointed only to the primitive army and their drug dependent leader. I have a HUGE respect to the veteran goons whom doing market pvp and indy.. those guys are the most brilliant brains in this game. When a goon indy leader post on the forum, is like a dev blog. When mittan post.. is like a flush in the toilet. No offense pls.

Personally? VERY.

Because it's a demolition derby, not "preserve your car you should be in in the 1st place because it took you several months to grind it" derby.

There is not wrong with not wanting to trash your car, but you shouldn't be competing in demolition derbies if that is the case.

The problem here isn't some magical barrier to pvp in the game that doesn't exist (I can run for 1 HQ site for enough isk for a pvp cruiser for example). it's the people and their choices (and sense of entitlement), with a little bit of impatience and not being creative enough to figure out how to make quick isk for pvp habits.

Thousands of EVE players pvp everyday, demonstrating that it's just not hard at all to find a way to do it. When you start trying to find ways to encourage people to pvp who can't figure it out on their own, you start to change the fundamental nature of the game. Anyone who wants pvp can figure it out just like all of us who pvp (i partake sometimes, when I feel like it) did.




For a solution to exist you need a problem, and I don't see one. The eve economy is humming along so where is this need to force of entice more people to pvp? Where is the dire need to lower barriers in some way?

I don't care if people pvp or not (as long as they accept the consequences of doin their own thing" in a pvp-centric game where people can and will screw with you for no reason, we're cool) and see no evidence pointing for a need for radical change.

And if someone has such a reason why they can't fly a space ship in a spaceship game, they need more help than any game designer can help them with lol.




It's not the Goons who say it, it's CCP (i know i know, same thing right lol). Seems to me the economy is working fine, or is their a bread line of out of work ship builders I haven't seen in Jita .

I simply think that it's good for a pvp game to require some effort and thought before being successful at an activity. Making things easier for people who don't or can't overcome simple problems (the simple problems all of us who pvp have already figured out) is not a good move. It's like saying "Chess is too hard" and letting people use Checkers rules instead.

That's one of the stupidest statements I've ever heard.



No offence pls.