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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#141 - 2013-01-14 16:47:38 UTC
rswfire wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Uh, what? Are you trying to imply that it's the game's fault for not telling you that you could be podded for leaving your house, akin to the kid who ran out being the fault of the parents for not keeping their child indoors? I don't understand this analogy.

It's up to the player to know how to play. Period. Whether you are prudent with your research (read forums etc) or want to take a chance diving right in and learning from your mistakes (which your example of you getting podded by a WT shows).

Keep in mind, being podded whether you are a vet or a rookie bears no hit on any reputation, nor is it really "bad". Running over a child however, is.


I think that depends on who you ask.

Also, no, that's what I'm saying at all. You'll either read everything I wrote in this forum for proper context, or you won't.



I did, and responded as well as answered. "Context" is left to be guessed at since it was passive aggressive at best. If you aren't concise and leave things to the imagination, the imagination will get used.

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Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#142 - 2013-01-17 20:09:09 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
rswfire wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Uh, what? Are you trying to imply that it's the game's fault for not telling you that you could be podded for leaving your house, akin to the kid who ran out being the fault of the parents for not keeping their child indoors? I don't understand this analogy.

It's up to the player to know how to play. Period. Whether you are prudent with your research (read forums etc) or want to take a chance diving right in and learning from your mistakes (which your example of you getting podded by a WT shows).

Keep in mind, being podded whether you are a vet or a rookie bears no hit on any reputation, nor is it really "bad". Running over a child however, is.


I think that depends on who you ask.

Also, no, that's what I'm saying at all. You'll either read everything I wrote in this forum for proper context, or you won't.



I did, and responded as well as answered. "Context" is left to be guessed at since it was passive aggressive at best. If you aren't concise and leave things to the imagination, the imagination will get used.

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#143 - 2013-01-17 22:02:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Max why do you hate on Solstice so much? I mean... we all know he lives in 0.5. He's basicly the greeter for lowsec, I mean c'mon... compared to the usual gateganker he's a content providing saint.Pirate

Survival of the fittest isn't elitist, though I do agree on lots of your points touching on people's attitude towards newbies. But make no mistake, the newb isn't that helpless. When I started EvE I fully understood what I was getting into, and a game with this many players is bound to have a few douchebags with sheeple following them in droves. It's not being shot down by a pirate that's the problem. It's being barked at afterwards by some idiot KM-addicted CEO who worries about his rep up the Alliance chain. Or whatever. People being idiots, not pirates being pirates. I agree we are responsible ourselves to walk away, player rentition is something we all have an effect on, like it or not.

I'm glad you found something that inspired you to rant this hard though. Considering you also asked about SB's in another topic you must have plans.Twisted
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#144 - 2013-01-17 22:12:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Doobie
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Max why do you hate on Solstice so much? I mean... we all know he lives in 0.5. He's basicly the greeter for lowsec, I mean c'mon... compared to the usual gateganker he's a content providing saint.Pirate

Survival of the fittest isn't elitist, though I do agree on lots of your points touching on people's attitude towards newbies. But make no mistake, the newb isn't that helpless. When I started EvE I fully understood what I was getting into, and a game with this many players is bound to have a few douchebags with sheeple following them in droves. It's not being shot down by a pirate that's the problem. It's being barked at afterwards by some idiot KM-addicted CEO who worries about his rep up the Alliance chain. Or whatever. People being idiots, not pirates being pirates. I agree we are responsible ourselves to walk away, player rentition is something we all have an effect on, like it or not.

I'm glad you found something that inspired you to rant this hard though. Considering you also asked about SB's in another topic you must have plans.Twisted


I'm sure the guy is a skilled PVPer. I'm sure he contributes much to the game. However the guys social skills suck hard.

Thinking you're better than "carebears" when without them your ass wouldn't have ships to fly? Lame.

This us vs them crap is lame. Everyone contributes in some way to this game, be it the blobbers, carebears, gankers, scammers, etc. They all have their niche. I think it more constructive to respect each niche and it's importance to the survival of EVE than to chest thump and bash others who play differently than myself.

BERP WERP DERP, I'MZ BETTER DAN YOO BEECUZ I PEE VEE PEE AND YOO DUNZ!!!!

When, if everyone in EVE simply PVPed...well...EVE wouldn't be sustainable. SOMEONE has to mine. SOMEONE has to Manufacture. That's why I think his perspective is completely stupid and illogical and bad for the game.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#145 - 2013-01-17 22:56:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
@Max, Then I agree to disagree, respectfully. I believe the problem lies in simple social respect. In my opinion a newbie should be made aware of his vulnerable situation, they are the mouse and we are the cats. Did you know in nullsec, there be dragons? Big smile Just saying that I enjoyed the newbie aspect of EvE myself. First thing I did was die. Man was it cheap back then!

I have been ganked by pirates a dozen times over, each time learning something new. How tanking worked and how to use cloaks. Today I prevented 2 BC's from being blapped in my Fleet because of the things I learned back then. But I would never have learned those things had I not conversed with my killers, accepting the game's rules as a simple ultimatum. The developers get to decide the physics, we supply the meta.

And to that end I still agree with you: we are responsible ourselves for making other people want to play this game. I just feel that includes people that want to play the pirate, and that the true problem lies not in ganks. The true problem lies in some of us obscuring the true identity of this game with wishfull thinking, selfless greed, and bad leadership. In my eyes perfect ingredients for a video game revolving around player-driven conflict however, so in fact - I don't experience it as a problem, but as a challenge. I fully agree people need to mine and manufacture, but there needs to be a challenge in it for it to be an actual game, instead of FarmVille in space. Those that can do indy stuff under increased logistical and military challenges (low/null/wh) meet these challenges head-on. Those multiboxing 10 accounts in hisec, do not. Why is it so morally repulsive to blow them out of the skybox?Twisted

I have had my share of bad experiences, but they were always due to the way people treat people, not because of how the game's aggro rules work. I think a lot of effort went into Crimewatch 2.0 and I feel I have been given even more tools to increase the survivability of every player I can retain. Elitists are indeed stupid, but so is getting worked up over rude people in an online video game. Unlearning that tendency is a great way to retain corp members, by the way.
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Alpha Trades
Solyaris Chtonium
#146 - 2013-01-17 23:29:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
@Max, Then I agree to disagree, respectfully. I believe the problem lies in simple social respect. In my opinion a newbie should be made aware of his vulnerable situation, they are the mouse and we are the cats. Did you know in nullsec, there be dragons? Big smile Just saying that I enjoyed the newbie aspect of EvE myself. First thing I did was die. Man was it cheap back then!

I have been ganked by pirates a dozen times over, each time learning something new. How tanking worked and how to use cloaks. Today I prevented 2 BC's from being blapped in my Fleet because of the things I learned back then. But I would never have learned those things had I not conversed with my killers, accepting the game's rules as a simple ultimatum. The developers get to decide the physics, we supply the meta.

And to that end I still agree with you: we are responsible ourselves for making other people want to play this game. I just feel that includes people that want to play the pirate, and that the true problem lies not in ganks. The true problem lies in some of us obscuring the true identity of this game with wishfull thinking, selfless greed, and bad leadership. In my eyes perfect ingredients for a video game revolving around player-driven conflict however, so in fact - I don't experience it as a problem, but as a challenge. I fully agree people need to mine and manufacture, but there needs to be a challenge in it for it to be an actual game, instead of FarmVille in space. Those that can do indy stuff under increased logistical and military challenges (low/null/wh) meet these challenges head-on. Those multiboxing 10 accounts in hisec, do not. Why is it so morally repulsive to blow them out of the skybox?Twisted

I have had my share of bad experiences, but they were always due to the way people treat people, not because of how the game's aggro rules work. I think a lot of effort went into Crimewatch 2.0 and I feel I have been given even more tools to increase the survivability of every player I can retain. Elitists are indeed stupid, but so is getting worked up over rude people in an online video game. Unlearning that tendency is a great way to retain corp members, by the way.


Um, newbies are the mice and the vets are the cats? Sorry but I'm a vet and you are WRONG.

No wonder with people like you around New players leave the frikin game. I mean really, How much do you suck if the people you prey on are new to a game.. ESPECIALLY one like Eve where it takes months just to find your own ass, even with a map?

I'm a vet, I only shoot people who offer me a CHALLENGE. But then some of you all never cared about a challenge you think your good because you can pop a defenseless mining ship..... Guess what? Your not, Your the scum that collects on the bottom of the Pond that players like us Eat as food.

Your a blue gill that messes with and harasses Minnows, Were frikin Great white sharks and you just made it to the Menu.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#147 - 2013-01-18 11:34:56 UTC
Wow. Thats just... wow. Did you read my post at all? I am of the opinion us CEOs and FC's have the respobsibility to toughen up our newbies, to make them understand the aggro mechanics so they can use them to deny kills. I am merely stating it is our responsibility as 'veteran' players (I wouldn't categorize myself as such but whatever) to teach survivability. The corp that does this best wins from the corp that sucks at it. The game is pretty much designed around this, it's a knowledge game.

Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
No wonder with people like you around New players leave the frikin game

I have recruited 90% of the people I engaged. Troll harder, it isn't working.

Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
How much do you suck if the people you prey on are new to a game

I agree, there are better, fatter targets to be had. It's fun to kill vets being dumb with newbs being smart.

Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
I'm a vet, I only shoot people who offer me a CHALLENGE.

Taking resources from the system we claim as home is a direct challenge to our authority. Again, agreed.

Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
But then some of you all never cared about a challenge you think your good because you can pop a defenseless mining ship

If you mine in our system untanked you kind of need to be reminded why that's a bad idea.

Sorry sir, but your post made no sense to me. I must be playing this game very differently I guess.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#148 - 2013-01-18 14:03:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Actually, i'm in 0.7 now. Close to Jita, to fund myself.
The DoobieWoobieGuy doesnt understand that theres a difference between an ingame and an out of game character. Funny. From all the hatred he displays, he probably takes the game way too seriously.

Yay i am a saint. Most who know me would agree. Of course. I love my public image. Quite some effort to make so many different people believe so many different things about me. ^_^

edit: oh there is something to add. You, ShoobyDooby, have NO clue about my social skills, else you wouldnt say crap like me lacking them. ^_^ You just prove that most people are way too easily manipulateable into believing things about others. The forums are great for that. You dont even know me ingame. Public != Private. ^_^

Theres a whole section of metagaming i know far better than others, including you. At least thats what you display. ^_^ In before the obvious "i am just acting too and you just dont know it" ... ^_^

Woah, typing on a 4.3" tablet.
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#149 - 2013-01-18 20:48:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Doobie
Solstice Project wrote:
Actually, i'm in 0.7 now. Close to Jita, to fund myself.
The DoobieWoobieGuy doesnt understand that theres a difference between an ingame and an out of game character. Funny. From all the hatred he displays, he probably takes the game way too seriously.

Yay i am a saint. Most who know me would agree. Of course. I love my public image. Quite some effort to make so many different people believe so many different things about me. ^_^

edit: oh there is something to add. You, ShoobyDooby, have NO clue about my social skills, else you wouldnt say crap like me lacking them. ^_^ You just prove that most people are way too easily manipulateable into believing things about others. The forums are great for that. You dont even know me ingame. Public != Private. ^_^

Theres a whole section of metagaming i know far better than others, including you. At least thats what you display. ^_^ In before the obvious "i am just acting too and you just dont know it" ... ^_^

Woah, typing on a 4.3" tablet.



I just want to shoot you really. I'll find you one day, during your usual routine of ganking rookie ships on autopilot through lowsec, and kill you. Then I'll take a screenshot of your corpse and put it up on our forums and send another to EN24 and Mittani.

Max Doobie can be your best friend or your worst enemy Solstice.

You call me "ShoobyDooby" again and I'm going to hunt you relentlessly. Then I'll have Test and Goons make your EVE life miserable until you quit.

Don't do it again dude.

You don't want it with me.



OOOOOOO-SNEEE-YAP SON!!!!!
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#150 - 2013-01-18 21:16:15 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:



I just want to shoot you really. I'll find you one day, during your usual routine of ganking rookie ships on autopilot through lowsec, and kill you. Then I'll take a screenshot of your corpse and put it up on our forums and send another to EN24 and Mittani.

Max Doobie can be your best friend or your worst enemy Solstice.

You call me "ShoobyDooby" again and I'm going to hunt you relentlessly. Then I'll have Test and Goons make your EVE life miserable until you quit.

Don't do it again dude.

You don't want it with me.



OOOOOOO-SNEEE-YAP SON!!!!!


Can't let you do that.
You know, his constant need tor trasher hulls and artillery pieces has made Mr Solstice- unbeknownst to him- one of my most loyal customers.
I won't have you threaten my customers, Doobie.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#151 - 2013-01-19 01:35:24 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:



I just want to shoot you really. I'll find you one day, during your usual routine of ganking rookie ships on autopilot through lowsec, and kill you. Then I'll take a screenshot of your corpse and put it up on our forums and send another to EN24 and Mittani.

Max Doobie can be your best friend or your worst enemy Solstice.

You call me "ShoobyDooby" again and I'm going to hunt you relentlessly. Then I'll have Test and Goons make your EVE life miserable until you quit.

Don't do it again dude.

You don't want it with me.



OOOOOOO-SNEEE-YAP SON!!!!!


Can't let you do that.
You know, his constant need tor trasher hulls and artillery pieces has made Mr Solstice- unbeknownst to him- one of my most loyal customers.
I won't have you threaten my customers, Doobie.



That a threat dude?

You know who I am?

Nobody.

But that's the point.

I make your toon disappear....no one gives a damn.
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#152 - 2013-01-19 02:15:18 UTC
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