Jita Park Speakers Corner

Which side, the one going all "hurr durr JBs are power projection and must be nerfed"?

Wut? I've posted plenty of times about Avatar gameplay.

The tl;dr is that I believe that in the long term, it's essential for EVE's continued survival, because it offers a solution to the problem of adding new things to do in a persistent world game that's already a decade old. It's increasingly difficult for CCP to add new spaceship things to do without treading on the toes of existing things to do. That's why we see twenty fixes and updates of old content for every new thing that gets introduced these days. Avatar gameplay offers an end run (OK, walk) around this obstacle.

But.

It's evident that CCP don't have the technical chops to pull it off right now, and they're still working out exactly what they want to do with WiS. We've seen what happened when they tried to surf on through with a wave of awesome and nose candy. Unifex's statement on WiS was pretty unequivocal: it's on a back burner, pending that clear idea (and those technical chops). Right now, it's not a viable investment of CCP's development resources.

I mourn the loss of the resources spent so far, but we have to be realistic. CCP have to devote their resources now to what will pay off. Go look at the "Small Percentage" POS threadnaught in this very forum - there are lots of other big projects competing for those resources where we do have a good idea of what needs doing.

When I win the Euromillions lottery and buy CCP, I'll fund the restarted WiS project immediately. Until something of that ilk happens, there's a limited return on effort of discussing it, I'm afraid.

There's a third possibility, which is that they have modified their policy. I think this is most likely.

Yes, and that was because for some reason they decided that JBs were the power projection tool, despite us telling them, repeatedly and in no uncertain terms, that we used forward staging systems for our wars.

So they nerfed them and did almost nothing to their "power projection capability", the most effect was on people just trying to live in some region.

That was interesting.
As someone who didn't came to EVE for *tears*, and still don't like them, and that often play on high with alts, I liked your ideas (mostly those about making low/null pockets INSIDE HS systems). Dunno what "true" carebears would think about it however, given if I still like a lot the security of high sec, I play most of my time outside it.
What I really like on HS is the ability to be safe while travelling, to be able to engage the autopilot when I'm bored and don't haul valuable things, or to move ships between locations without having to check every gate for some camp.
When I do that I don't want to be bothered with risks, it's like driving on a road which cut a forest ; you don't want bears or wolves to attack you on the road.
However, if I leave the road and enter the forest, cause I saw something blinking on it, which seems interesting, I have no issue falling in a thieves trap. But I want this safe road being available, for when I need it.
About that, I really disliked the Orca nerf ; for me it was being safe (hard to kill ; need more than one ship) and able to autopilot at the cost of an expensive and extremly slow boat. A transport ship is not, people may risk attacking you without knowing if it's valuable or not, so you can't autopilot, even if your cargo is empty there's still more risk.
Another example, but different, is how I really left highsec at first ; it was for wormholes, and mostly for WH with highsec connection : goal was simple, I have risks when on W-space, it's way harder but way more profitable, but I don't have to bother with logistics ; I probe a high, and I'm out, the risk is not here anymore.
That's how I see high ; you are safe until proven worthy of being killed. Elsewhere, it's the opposite.

Yeah the theme of the manifesto was that hi-sec should be a place where you can, at your convenience, choose your level of risk (and consequently, reward).

Some days I get home tired and stressed from a bad day at work and all I really want to do is run a couple of missions and chat with my friends. Then I log into my hi-sec alt and do that. So I absolutely understand the :effort: you're talking about, and you will understand that the last thing I want to do is "turn hi-sec into 0.0" and spoil my EVE "vacation spot".

But I want to make hi-sec offer more opportunities for excitement and fun for people who are the opposite of me, and rather than occasionally wanting somewhere quiet, they occasionally want to dabble with a bit of risk.

Changed the tune on JBs a bit since then, then. :v:

That's not to be laid at the feet of JBs, though.

Actually, I keep playing with the idea of just removing jumpdrives altogether, at the very least from offensive ships. vOv

I'll vote for you as long as you promise to hit Trebor over the head with a rolled up newspaper if he pulls the 'spam all the inboxes' trick to get himself elected again