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When people talk about PvP in EvE what do they mean?
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#1 - 2013-01-18 03:36:22 UTC
Certain people talk about EvE being a PvP game even though there is more action in hi-sec and on the markets than on the killboards. My question to them is what is PvP?

My understanding is that it stands for player versus player. This implies an interaction between the two parties. This would exclude:

- A bitter vet alphaing a noob in a starter area
-A gate camp
-A blob, well blobbing

There is no interaction in the above situations, it is a one way exchange with a predetermined outcome.

I think CCP has done a good job of working to eliminate one way exchanges and promote PvP. Yet everytime CCP acts to create two way exchanges you get leets bemoaning a nerf to PvP? It leads me to believe that certain people feel entitled to killmails without a challenge, reward with no risk.

So when people are asking for expanded PvP in EvE what are they really asking for?
Xinivrae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-01-18 03:47:34 UTC
So... Which one of those three listed just blew you up?
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-01-18 03:49:57 UTC
The PvP isn't only at the point where the guns are firing at each other. Doing your intelligence gathering, gaining superior positioning and having more thorough game knowledge are all parts of the process. A single pilot doesn't beat a gate camp by destroying all the ships in it, but rather by avoiding or outrunning it. You defend from a suicide gank usually not by something you do to a ship that's already shooting you, but by not making yourself an easy target.

This isn't pistols at dawn, man.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-01-18 03:50:50 UTC
How are any of those things listed not interaction?
They are pretty much by definition

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-01-18 04:06:47 UTC
As soon as you touch something, you're interacting with it.
Hell, some might say, as soon as you *look* at something, you're interacting with it.

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It leads me to believe that certain people feel entitled to killmails without a challenge, reward with no risk.

Same could be said about miners, too.

It's irrelevant. Just kill them all.
FluffyDice
Kronos Research
#6 - 2013-01-18 04:07:25 UTC
OP I don't think you understand what interact means.
Nick Asir
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-01-18 04:19:45 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
The PvP isn't only at the point where the guns are firing at each other. Doing your intelligence gathering, gaining superior positioning and having more thorough game knowledge are all parts of the process. A single pilot doesn't beat a gate camp by destroying all the ships in it, but rather by avoiding or outrunning it. You defend from a suicide gank usually not by something you do to a ship that's already shooting you, but by not making yourself an easy target.

This isn't pistols at dawn, man.


If everyone understood this eve would be a much more interesting place.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#8 - 2013-01-18 04:29:38 UTC
PVP is competition.

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Serptimis
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-01-18 04:34:56 UTC
I joined EVE because I heard it was a PCP game. Imagine my disappointment...Sad
Feer Truelight
#10 - 2013-01-18 04:35:24 UTC
Market PvP is also a form of PvP.

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Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
#11 - 2013-01-18 07:35:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Kryss Darkdust
I find myself repeating this to someone every few months .. I would put it in my sig if it would bloody fit.

Eve is about one thing and one thing only. Players vs. Player Interaction. This IS the game. Everything else we do in the game, be it mining, marketing, ratting, mission running, wormholing or whatever else qualifies as PvE is nothing more than the que for player vs. player interaction and a way to afford it when it happens. Everytime a player engages you in anyway, Eve has been officially turned on and what you should do is thank them for creating dynamic content for you.

The only difference between carebears (people who avoid interaction) and everyone else is that carebears are not perparing for it, and everyone else does nothing but prepare for it. This is what seperates the two people and why one group (carebears) complains about the primary function of Eve as a problem, while everyone else looks at them like a guy who just walked into a strip club proclaiming I have no money... My only question is.. WTF are you doing here than?

That's Eve in a nutshell. Blobers, gankers, campers, war decers, market manipulators, thieves, Corps, Alliances, Bounty Hunters, pirates ..... We should all be thanking these people for the great dynamic content.

The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub. 
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2013-01-18 07:42:01 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Certain people talk about EvE being a PvP game even though there is more action in hi-sec and on the markets than on the killboards. My question to them is what is PvP?
Everything except accepting and completing missions. Those two button presses are without any ofrm of competition against other players, but that's about it.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-01-18 07:42:27 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961 will answer your question nicely.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

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  • Qolde
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#14 - 2013-01-18 07:49:24 UTC
Serptimis wrote:
I joined EVE because I heard it was a PCP game. Imagine my disappointment...Sad


Take some X instinct and chill then.

To the OP
Your first point is moot since that form of player player interaction is a violation. Of course it is an exclusion, it is one of the short list of exclusions in the game.

Both Gate camping and blobbing are player player interactions.

You can guess where the gate camps are. about 5 jumps from it there will be a few friendly people putting up cans to warn about system x, local in nearby systems might have people talking about it, when you jump into the system (but not on the gate camp one) there will be a whole bunch of people in local, use the post jump cloak to read them up and if they are all -10 or the same corp - go ahead and assume that is what people are talking about. In the map (F10 I believe or F11 I can never remember so I mash both at the same time) when you are plotting your course you can see how many people have used cynos in a particular system, the amount of ship kills and pod kills that occur, general traffic volumes can be inferred. The first step in any player player interaction is intel. The second is what you do with it and what they do with what they learn of your movements. Finally, unless you are untanked, in a frigate/shuttle/noobship or afk there are very very few camps that will be able to bother you. Unless you go out of your way to start something or go out of your way to be ignorant that is.

Blobbing is blobbing, it is player player interaction at a large team level. I personally dislike it but I see the merits of it and why people enjoy mass fleet funfests. I have participated in a few, even trained to be a tackler but it never really clicked for me.
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#15 - 2013-01-18 08:35:58 UTC
most people think pvp is pew pew only - which goes to show they are ignorant retards
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-01-18 09:08:26 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Certain people talk about EvE being a PvP game even though there is more action in hi-sec and on the markets than on the killboards.

Well, I hope they weren't referring to their kilboards which actually means that you heard from people that suck balls at Eve then.

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-01-18 09:20:52 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Hell, some might say, as soon as you *look* at something, you're interacting with it.

these crazy people are also called "physicists"

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Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#18 - 2013-01-18 09:38:50 UTC
'PvP' in Eve originally meant combat between two or more ships in space.

Unfortunately due to the majority of players realising this is somehow 'cool' but being too scared to actually partake in PvP, the term has become attached to all Eve professions, such as the market, miner bumping and forum trolling.

Many profess to look for the true meaning of 'PVP' by seeking glory on the battlefield, however this again is usually watered down by making sure the odds are massively stacked in their favour.

True 'PvP' does exist in this game however you will find the ones that shout about how good they are at this action, are usually the ones carefully farming killboard stats rather than fighting for the thrill of it.

Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#19 - 2013-01-18 09:44:47 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:
Unfortunately due to the majority of players realising this is somehow 'cool' but being too scared to actually partake in PvP, the term has become attached to all Eve professions, such as the market, miner bumping and forum trolling.
How is it unfortunate that PvP has come to mean what the abbreviation actually stands for?
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
#20 - 2013-01-18 09:49:48 UTC
Disagreeing with somone is also essentialy PVP. Insert: sitting in amarr local trolling/making people mad = PVP

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