EVE General Discussion

The problem is on you People who pvp, come on, why so meny focus on hi sec and carebears, guys realy what wrong with you, im sure here enough enemys to fight if you realy want it, this whole therad sound like "im bad at pvp i love to harras newbis and carebears, just because im loser but i cant adap to this, my ego need boost, i harras other weak people because when i do this i fell like bad as"

Also this whole therad sound like PVP die, here no pvp in low sec or null space, hi sec is best source to find targets.

What it's just so funny when the freighters pay a 5 bil ransom and we blow it up anyways getting another 5 bil of drops, sometimes all the stars line up and it's just wonderful.

Damn didn't realise that was that guy. That puts his posts in a better context.

I still don't get what you are saying. Make a point, please.

Whats even funnier is when you wonder why people don't pay ransoms anymore and you then complain that piracy is dead.

Also, so many "pvp-er" tears in this thread im having trouble swapping buckets. Weren't you guys so elite and told everyone else to adapt when a change came out that affected "them" and not you ? Well, buckle up peach princess and adapt yourself. EVE is changing, it's not going to stay as "you imagined it to be in your mind" until the day you die.

If you REALLY can't stand the thought of having more subscribers for your favorite game then go and find another "griefer-friendly" game ? Just a thought.

the prophet has spoken

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You bumped one ship too many, your eyes crossed and now you see things upside down.

I did make a point. Your correct reply is not "make a point" but "please explain me your point".

It's not even a point of mine, it's just how EvE is.

EvE has born with a certain model that made it... EvE.

If features an unconsensual gameplay sandbox setting set up on a center-periphery economy model.

Now some like Goons complain that EvE is a center-periphery model whereas they'd want it a peer- peer model.
Others like some in this thread complain that EvE is a sandbox - everywhere - even in hi sec.

Both want to turn EvE into something substantially not EvE any more.
While switching EvE into a peer-peer model could be possible taking a very, very prudent approach, making EvE a non unconsensual gameplay sandbox any more, woud be just about flipping the game upside down and negate its premises.

Now, I do play a consensual sandbox too and while it's nice and refreshing to meet much more friendly guys than EvE, it's just the opposite of EvE. And vastly less thrilling as well. That game comes with 2+ important PvE content addition patches a year, while EvE gets about 1 every some years. The approach to implementing an unconsensual game is just too different vs both theme parks and cooperative sandboxes, EvE can't be turned like that. CCP are not even able to implement a stupid inventory right, figures the centuries needed to deliver PvE that is not pure garbage!

EvE's born in a certain and fairly unique way, EvE is EvE because it follows that way even if this means being a minority game.

Changing it so much after 10 years will just prove to be unfeasible by the current CCP (their original creative talents are long gone), the best they can is to tend to EvE till it will slowly die down.
The worst they can do is to pull a worse than NGE on EvE, flip their target customer base upside down, *still* be unable to implement any decent PvE content and thus lose the long standing existing customers while being unable to attract any new player.
Heck if I was a new player I'd not pay for EvE EVER.
Outdated and cumbersome and buggy and un-customizable UI?
Timers timers timers, crafting queues queues more queues. Even when you have a POS.
Static gameplay that sucks compared to a 1980 game... even 1979 Asteroids physics were more realistic!
PvE? WHAT? A 1990s text mode game (MUD) had hundreds times more and better PvE.
Mining, a staple of EvE economy? How many games have a worse mining / gathering mechanic?
PvP twitch? How? Lol, this is a game for keyboard turners and hotkey clickers, that is the worst of the worst.

So, those who stick and love EvE... stick and love EvE for the rest. For the markets, for the PvP, for the "harsh setting".

Change that, and there'll be really no reason to play EvE at all for anyone.

Ok, that took me a fair amount of time to read through.

Looking at the minutes proper as have already been quoted in this thread, I am concerned.

I am concerned that CCP will go the themepark route. This simply must not happen. It would make EVE less of a sandbox than it already is.

Thank goodness the CSM still has members such as Hans who have the sense to indicate that themepark is a very bad concept for EVE.

Flame me down, but none of this crap would be coming out of the CSM minutes if The Mittani was still the CSM Chairman.

Don't break my EVE by making it so safe, please. Highsec already has more than sufficient guarding by means of Concord and the Bounty system. The biggest change that CCP should make right away is a minimum bounty of not less than 5 Million ISK, perhaps even 10 Million ISK. This 100K Bounty makes the system a joke in many respects.

Do not themepark EVE please.

Hans, fight it please man. This safety nonsense in Highsec is just that - nonsense. Consentual, non-consentual. nevermind the words, PvP should be unrestricted with the rewards and dangers it already carries. Space should not have a safety net.

(Edit : Consentual, not 'Consential')

I don't fear change, I fear an empty server.

Why is EvE still going on as one of the handful "pay monthly subscription" games? Because and ONLY because it got an elder playerbase who like THIS EvE. A game you can't get anywhere else. With all the defects on Earth but it's unique, there's no EvE clone that survives. Lose them and see CCP struggle while they have to furiously invent some F2P other business model since the cash will magically vaporize as those old players leave.

Denaturalizing EvE will make it "just another MMO". I for sure am not going to pay for a game where I can park 200 untanked Mackinaws around an ice roid 24/7. Where's the ... soul of a game letting that with no consequences EVER?

Not even single player mode games are so stupid, you have to install some "invulnerability mod" just to be let do the same.

I want to undock in the most carebear ship knowing I can lose it if I am stupid enough.

I want to risk losing ISK if I accept a stupid scammy Jita deal. Not to do like in my other MMOs, where I petition the guy and he gets banned.

Feeling of risk, even in moderate amounts is the blood of EvE.

That's why I play EvE. Else I'd play something else. And like me, many current players who are in for the long haul.