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deuls to ultimately replace wardec system??? say it isn't so
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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-01-18 07:31:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ris Dnalor
Someone tell me this isn't so ...


page 66 of CSM_meeting_notes wrote:
Two step asked the team if they felt they’d accomplished all that they had set out to accomplish in overhauling the wardec system, as it appeared to him there appeared to be just as much random wardeccing and grief wardeccing as there was before the overhaul. Solomon joked that it would be so much easier to just remove the wardec system completely, to much laughter of the CSM. Then, more seriously, Solomon explained that the designers had been back and forth discussing this question, and that the general idea has always been to develop a toolset where two entities could participate in mutual combat even in highsec space.


http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2012/CSM_CCP_Meetings_December_2012.pdf

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#2 - 2013-01-18 08:25:07 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
What do you think wardecs are right now?

Besides the "Gank Nullsec Alliance Freighter" decs and "Kill a POS" decs, wardecs are trivial to dodge, so they are de facto consensual fights.



Anyway, the big problem I see in that quote is the unstated assumption that "random" and "grief" wardecs were a bad thing for EVE. Which is funny because just a couple pages away, they were lauding the "poke" that a "random" or "grief" bounty gave to a carebear who wouldn't otherwise be engaged with the rest of the community.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#3 - 2013-01-18 08:31:59 UTC
Red v Blue comes to mind. So yeah, it kinda is in game already. I don't really care about hisec grief decs, but I'm against taking toys out of the sand box in general.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-01-18 08:43:18 UTC
Oh look. Yet another thread on the same subject from another thread that has the same subject from another thread which also has the same subject as another thread.
Signal11th
#5 - 2013-01-18 08:47:51 UTC
Ris Dnalor wrote:
Someone tell me this isn't so ...


page 66 of CSM_meeting_notes wrote:
Two step asked the team if they felt they’d accomplished all that they had set out to accomplish in overhauling the wardec system, as it appeared to him there appeared to be just as much random wardeccing and grief wardeccing as there was before the overhaul. Solomon joked that it would be so much easier to just remove the wardec system completely, to much laughter of the CSM. Then, more seriously, Solomon explained that the designers had been back and forth discussing this question, and that the general idea has always been to develop a toolset where two entities could participate in mutual combat even in highsec space.


http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2012/CSM_CCP_Meetings_December_2012.pdf



Before you start complaining about something, make sure you can spell it correctly first!

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#6 - 2013-01-18 08:50:26 UTC
By the way,
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2477230#post2477230
CCP Solomon wrote:
Thanks for starting this thread and for all the contributions thus far. The range of opinions here echoes the sentiment that the war declaration mechanic is a complicated subject that often polarizes the opinions of those who care about it. This session was one of the most heated debates I took part in during the whole summit.

Firstly, let me state clearly that there are no plans to change the war declaration mechanic into a system that caters to mutual high sec pvp only.

Secondly, the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP).

I often think back to my experiences in Ultima Online when discussing the war dec system. Removing it's teeth would be akin to introducing the Trammel/Felucca divide, for those that remember it.

However, I expressed an opposing opinion during the discussion because I felt that (with the exception of Trebor) the voice of the CSM was one sided in favour of the "sharks" and I wanted the opposing argument to have a voice in the room, I feel it's important. I expect the CSM to be cognizant of and consider the wishes and opinions of all player types in EVE and there are a good many players who don't like being war decced. As a business, we would be fools not to consider the impact this system is having on those customers.

Prior to my first comment, Hans made a fine statement that one of the good parts of the war mechanic is that groups can engage in fights where they can control the numbers involved, a mutual conflict in high security space.

I then posed the question of whether the CSM thought mutual high sec pvp was goal of the system, or was the goal of the system to facilitate one sided wars? Admittedly my devils advocacy is not obvious from the minutes but I was genuinely interested in what they thought was the goal of the system and to judge the extent with which they were considering the wishes of all players that are affected by it.

Part of the reason this system has been so problematic and difficult to balance is because there are so many strong and passionate opinions about what the system should be.

I hope this clears things up, thanks for reading.

-Solomon



/thread

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#7 - 2013-01-18 08:53:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Randolph Rothstein
a source with knowledge of the situation told me they are going to do duels only pvp

if you want to quit the game pls send your isk to me,i will use it to fight this injustice,i promise
Finarfin
Cerulean Void
#8 - 2013-01-18 09:06:55 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Ris Dnalor wrote:
Someone tell me this isn't so ...


[...] http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2012/CSM_CCP_Meetings_December_2012.pdf



Before you start complaining about something, make sure you can spell it correctly first!



People like you disgust me. Is OP's thread bad and serves no real purpose? Certainly.

I also have some surprising news for you, not everyone is a native speaker or had access to higher education in his life. Surprising, eh?
LtCol Laurentius
The Imperial Sardaukar
#9 - 2013-01-18 09:20:54 UTC
It isn't so.