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Wormhole Collapsing Question/Survey
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Agreh Tensenn
Tensenn Industries
#21 - 2013-01-13 18:12:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Agreh Tensenn
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Agreh Tensenn wrote:
I have been seeing wierd things recently with the 50% shrink. I roll our 2M holes with 4 Orca trips.

The first trip all of them with mwd off, which means that if the wh shrinks, total mass is 1,800,000,000->2,000,000,000kg. If it doesn't shrink, its 2,000,000,000->2,200,000,000.

In the former, I just keep the mwd off until the last trip in, making the total jumped mass 2,050,000,000 after the final jump, and 1,750,000,000 before that jump. Perfectly safe and should be no risk.

If it doesn't shrink though, I use mwd on the last three jumps, making total jumped mass 2,150,000,000 and 1,850,000,000 on the second to final jump (then if needed tipped off with a hic).

This is where it has failed me, that jump has actually closed it two times now, where it should not be possible, making it seem like the 50% limit can still vary between 900,000,000 and 1,100,000,000 but not being connected to the total mass. If someone now replies to me with "wh mass can alter" without reading this post I'm jumping out the window :D


Your post hurts my brain. I can't quite figure out what you are doing. First off every orca fit i've tried is basically 250mil kg with MWD off and 300mil kg with it on.

So one round trip of an orca is at most 600 mil kg, which would never get you to 50%.

Beyond that, I have never trusted the mass to be exact enough to trust an orca below the estimated 300mil mark.


Im sorry that was actually quite bad posted by me, I use two orcas per trip. I see no reason not to trust the mass in show info. The way I'm doing this is not advanced and very straight-forward and should not ever fail would the mechanics be as we all think they are. I do however think we got the mechanics right and it just bugs sometimes, it's very rare. Gladly i've still not ever lost an Orca to it.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-01-13 18:28:13 UTC
Agreh Tensenn wrote:
Im sorry that was actually quite bad posted by me, I use two orcas per trip. I see no reason not to trust the mass in show info. The way I'm doing this is not advanced and very straight-forward and should not ever fail would the mechanics be as we all think they are. I do however think we got the mechanics right and it just bugs sometimes, it's very rare. Gladly i've still not ever lost an Orca to it.


Ah, that makes more sense. Everyone has their method depending on the situation.

When we roll our static, especially if we had just opened it, we just roll thru 3 orca's with MWD on, the last one back will have put 1,800,000,000 on the hole, then we finish off with some HIC's. It may not be the absolute fastest, but generally it is only like 7 min or so. Also, we get all three orca jumps done very quickly to minimize the chance that they will get jumped. After that everyone is in combat ships so getting jumped isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#23 - 2013-01-14 10:25:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Seleia O'Sinnor
I'm wondering if the 10% variance is applied to the mass of the wh OR the status message showing in the info text. The last couple of times it was always pretty straight forward, using a BS, Covetory and Orca with AB for a 2bn WH. It worked like 100% of the times. From my observations it feels more like the 10% is applied to the message than the actual mass. But it might be due to the overkill mass jumping through on the supposedly last trip to collapse it, which is the Orca with 100mn AB activated.

There was this this "nerf" when CCP made the info text change delayed. They proclaimed that it never was supposed to be real time and around that time we had some trouble collapsing correctly.

EDIT:
Any source for the 10% variance applied to the mass?

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.
Nakkano
Microsoft Excel Club
#24 - 2013-01-18 05:42:16 UTC
If you don't know the mass of the hole, then just assume it has the minimum for it's stage.
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