EVE General Discussion

I’ve talked with a few carebears over the years and I have come to believe that they can’t PvP. Not because they don’t want to kill the griefers and gankers, but because combat is just not something they want to participate in.

Could there be more options for destroying things in Eve? Some non-dogfight in game mechanic that allows ISK to be blown up? Maybe something that bear style players would enjoy doing.

Like building viral POS's that destroy random combat modules on any ship that is in their system. Or being able to produce faulty modules and sell them on the open market (at a loss of course). Or self destruct ships that are like mega smart bombs!


I don't mind being wrong here, just a thought I had that I can't seem to shake. Any feedback is appreciated.

What the hell is "10 000 frags in wot"?

its like LOL with tanks

LOL is like dota with bigger bewbs

After the login screen, every activity you do in EvE is some form PvP competition.

So carebears only stare at the login screen?

i call all kills frags because of UT...thats what UT has done to meeeeeee

i also call champions in LOL heroes - some people are really pssd off by vocabulary

I've said it before, I'll say it again...

- At the end of the tutorial, blowup the player's ship with some npc pirates
- Tell them this happens in EVE ...
- Show them how to replace it

Dealing with loss, along with social skills, is the most important lesson in EVE.

(edit: apparently they do this now. Go CCP woo!)

They do this already. They revamped the tutorials.

I'm going to let the carebears here in on a little secret.

PvPers get afraid during combat too.

The pain of loss, The humiliation of possibly being chastised for a shitfit, the fear of defeat in battle, and the ennui of just being able to witness your warped, webbed and scrambled ship circle the drain is something that happens to PvPers as well as carebears.

The difference is not the lack of fear, but rather the presence of courage and situational awareness. The loss of your ship is a momentary trouble and something that you can bounce back from.

Some tips.

If you are AFK you are easier to gank (I'll autopilot to places AFK so I'm not saying don't do it, it just elevates the risk)
PvP that sneaks up on you and grabs you by the balls is scarier than PvP that you can see from miles off, so watch local and watch your immediate environment.
Low sec and 0.0 contain ganking, High-sec too albeit less of it.
60 seconds is not a short period of time.
take deep breaths, remember that you have to act, but you don't have to be perfect.

Ha - great. Thanks for pointing it out. Glad they put something like this in. :)

This experience is often referred to as "the shakes" in EVE and is just your regular high adrenaline fight-or-flight response which is not very well suited to computer games (evolution didn't select for the ability to calmly sit in a chair keeping track of half a dozen different mini-tasks while watching transversal and module heat closely when in a life-threatening situation).

Most players seem to start being able to function in pvp after the first dozen losses or so (pvp becomes less and less exciting and as they lose their fear they learn to enjoy the rush) - it's by no means something that takes months or years to get over.

(Yes, even with considerable pvp experience you will still sometimes realize after a fight that you had been tunnel-visioning on some aspects of the fight and were lacking in mental flexibility- but at that point you are talking about how to live up to 100% of your potential under pressure, not about avoiding complete paralysis.)


A few players report that any kind of adrenaline rush is extremely unpleasant for them - these are probably just ill-suited for pvp and there is little point in trying to convince them otherwise.